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pettifogger
Post  Post subject: Trust and the Mormon Church  |  Posted: Fri May 12, 2017 11:29 am
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From the Salt Lake Tribune:


http://www.sltrib.com/lifestyle/faith/5 ... mon-church


Is this the major problem(s) with LDS today?


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productofchoice
Post  Post subject: Re: Trust and the Mormon Church  |  Posted: Fri May 12, 2017 3:02 pm
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I came to the point where I believed that the leadership was aware of the alternate history and chose to continue to present their old version, even though they know it's wrong.

Like the church approved and provided packets of pictures that incorrectly show Joseph Smith translating the Golden Plates. That's not how he did it. A watchman would call that out and correct the misinformation. Because really, what's more likely to lead a person astray, the truth or lies/incorrect truth?

Or Joseph Smith's polygamy. Once upon a time the church leadership (aka Brigham Young and the following prophets) all knew about it. They helped officiate some of it and they inherited his brides after he died. So when did it become so hush-hush? What was this point where following God's law became shameful instead of a thing to shout from the mountains?

And on that polygamy front. It took a long time to officially publish D&C 132 in the book. It was added about a year before Brigham Young died. It missed the first edition of the D&C and even a previous place in the Book of Commandments. In it's place was the old section 101 which denied polygamy and called it a crime. A watchman would have called this out. Brigham was responsible for saying, "STOP THE PRESS!" there's a mistake in the book and we must fix it immediately.

There's a difference between getting more information and getting new and conflicting information. There's a difference between getting more history and getting new history that conflicts with what we had previously been taught by people who should have known the information.

And like some here, I was called out for claiming the truth of the things that the church is now finally admitting. It was anti-Mormon material until it was presented in the new Essays ... well depending on whether the TBM is aware of those essays so neatly tucked behind the boiler in the back of the church web site.

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pettifogger
Post  Post subject: Re: Trust and the Mormon Church  |  Posted: Mon May 15, 2017 11:52 am
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Why don't members of LDS have more transparency with regards to where and how monies are utilized? It is "their" tithes that fund the operation.


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productofchoice
Post  Post subject: Re: Trust and the Mormon Church  |  Posted: Tue May 16, 2017 7:20 am
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WRT Money and transparency.

As a TBM you're giving because you are supposed to give, not because you thought that last year they did an excellent job appropriating your funds in a way that you yourself could not.

These days I think that there are wolves and sheep in the LDS church. Wolves don't want the sheep knowing they are being hunted and picked off. Wolves don't feel guilt or shame for eating sheep. The lack of transparency leaves room to launder some of that money and transfer a portion to the wolves in charge.

Consider the multi-billion dollar mall/investment the church built in SLC. What an opportunity while "revitalizing" the town to also fill some pockets. When Billions move, millions can easily slide around.

Also consider that the LDS Church has been accumulating wealth and assets for many years. The church buildings are on property owned by the organization. The temples are in choice locations. They own store houses and farms and large tracts of land. They own businesses. The less the members know of the wealth the more they are likely to believe their money is needed.

But that's really all speculation.

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teoma2
Post  Post subject: Re: Trust and the Mormon Church  |  Posted: Wed May 17, 2017 8:14 am
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What organized religions often openly profess is not exactly what you see practiced.

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productofchoice
Post  Post subject: Re: Trust and the Mormon Church  |  Posted: Wed May 17, 2017 12:07 pm
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One other thought. Many people will talk about how generous and giving the Mormon people are. I agree that mostly they are very generous. What I've seen though is that very little of what comes in to the church goes out to the widows and orphans and starving. Mostly it goes towards bills and new purchases. If you looked at a list of charities out there, the LDS church is a pretty lousy one wrt what they give out vs what they take in.

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Post  Post subject: Re: Trust and the Mormon Church  |  Posted: Thu May 18, 2017 10:11 am
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I thank you both for your commentary.


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ecravn
Post  Post subject: Re: Trust and the Mormon Church  |  Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 5:22 pm
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Hopefully people will stop giving their time or 10% of their income to an organization that keeps feeding them "easter bunny and santa claus" stories.

For LDS Church though the problem is that facts about their holy book and history would not be able to survive full daylight. So in order to protect the organization, they will need to continue either:
    Ignoring the facts
    Twisting the facts
    Hope that people believe just for the sake of being willing to believe. Like a Peter Pan religion of sorts.

All of this just means that the "trust gap" will either continue in the future, or get worse.


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teoma2
Post  Post subject: Re: Trust and the Mormon Church  |  Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 8:45 am
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And since "coming clean" doesn't appear to be anywhere in the near future either, that "trust gap" will continue to widen with more Internet usage.

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