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kjensen
Post  Post subject: Encounter with Bishop after Resignation  |  Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2016 7:54 pm
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Three years ago my wife and I left the church but did not resign. In November, in response to the latest church policy regarding children of gay parents, we decided that we could no longer have our names associated with the church. About two weeks after sending in our letters, someone knocked on our door and it was the bishop of our old ward. We live in a small south central Idaho town, so it is hard to isolate ourselves entirely from contact with the church. Anyway, the man is our neighbor from down the street so I invited him in. Of course, he stated the purpose of his visit which was obvious to us, but I was surprised when he asked us why we left and then sat there patiently and without interruption as I explained all the historical and other faults of the church. His response: I didn't know all that. Another curiosity was the fact that there was no attempt to employ the overbearing ecclesiastical authority bit on us that Mormons so frequently use. It was as if he had been stripped of any pretenses and he had to meet us on our terms. Oddly, it seemed as he felt that he had been defeated, or deflated in some sense. Anyway, it is so wonderful to be free. I just wish it would have happened 40 years ago.


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Rainfeather
Post  Post subject: Re: Encounter with Bishop after Resignation  |  Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2016 8:21 pm
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All of my correspondence when I left was with a Bishop that I'd never met before. He tried one attempt to ask me if there was anything he could do to help me. When I explained why I was leaving, he immediately seemed to feel defeated and just instantly gave in.

Of course then he sat on the paperwork and I had to nag them for months. Thankfully, the process is much more timely now.

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joseph's myth
Post  Post subject: Encounter with Bishop after Resignation  |  Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2016 1:40 am
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Of course he didn't know.

Full knowledge is never "really allowed" nor tolerated in Mormonism.

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Post  Post subject: Re: Encounter with Bishop after Resignation  |  Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2016 10:20 am
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Congrats KJensen,

I like it when I get to pass on some of that hard fought knowledge I found. Glad you had a chance to do that.

It makes the bishop make a decision. Is he going to research your claims to counter them? Or is he going to just ignore them until maybe something else comes along...

Peace

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teoma2
Post  Post subject: Re: Encounter with Bishop after Resignation  |  Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2016 10:23 am
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That is one thing that most if not all organized religions never do, and that is to tell or ask their followers to check out their own real history.
They can't afford to do that at all.

And yet it seems Kjensen, that your visiting bishop did just that, and with your assistance, none the less. Sounds like he is a sincere caring fellow who had his doubts confirmed by you, yet in a gentle way. Nice of you to do that for him, for with the giving comes the getting. Keep tabs on this guy, he will probably surprise you!

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joseph's myth
Post  Post subject: Encounter with Bishop after Resignation  |  Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2016 1:41 pm
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teoma2 wrote:
That is one thing that most if not all organized religions never do, and that is to tell or ask their followers to check out their own real history.
They can't afford to do that at all.

And yet it seems Kjensen, that your visiting bishop did just that, and with your assistance, none the less. Sounds like he is a sincere caring fellow who had his doubts confirmed by you, yet in a gentle way. Nice of you to do that for him, for with the giving comes the getting. Keep tabs on this guy, he will probably surprise you!


Don't spend much wasteful time awaiting him to change, LDS bishops have all the help that they need in altering their stalwart Mormon minds. It is in the hearts of their children and grandchildren, from the arena where we have no influence what-so-ever. It's their job now.

http://www.postmormon.org/exp_e/index.p ... 73/#620417

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leftasteen
Post  Post subject: Re: Encounter with Bishop after Resignation  |  Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 5:28 pm
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Someone told the bishop to visit you. So, he went and made it as painless as possible so he could go back to his boss and say he really tried. Box checked. Form filled out.


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