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Melanie
Post  Post subject: Clear evangelism example.  |  Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2017 3:11 pm
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''What can one say to a Mormon who comes to their door without it taking hours having only one chance to challenge them.

When I’m in a discussion I have them commit to saying they are a Christian. Then I pose a question to them in this manner.

What if I said I was a Mormon and that I can join any church that teaches the Bible. I also don’t believe Joseph Smith was a true prophet, or that there are modern day prophets and apostles. I don’t believe Jesus is an angel in the Spirit family of the Devil, nor that God gives new revelation adding to scripture nor that I can progress to be god of my own world by following the ordinances of the Mormon church with its priesthood.

They would answer, then you are not a Mormon.

I would then ask why not? Their reply would be- because you do not believe what Mormons believe, our priesthood, our Prophet, you don’t believe in eternal progression, or new revelation in scripture!

My reply would then be, This is exactly why you are not a Christian.''

Taken from :
http://www.letusreason.org/LDS6.htm

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joseph's myth
Post  Post subject: Clear Evangelism Examples  |  Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 3:06 am
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Melanie wrote:
''What can one say to a Mormon who comes to their door without it taking hours having only one chance to challenge them.

When I’m in a discussion I have them commit to saying they are a Christian. Then I pose a question to them in this manner.

What if I said I was a Mormon and that I can join any church that teaches the Bible. I also don’t believe Joseph Smith was a true prophet, or that there are modern day prophets and apostles. I don’t believe Jesus is an angel in the Spirit family of the Devil, nor that God gives new revelation adding to scripture nor that I can progress to be god of my own world by following the ordinances of the Mormon church with its priesthood.

They would answer, then you are not a Mormon.

I would then ask why not? Their reply would be- because you do not believe what Mormons believe, our priesthood, our Prophet, you don’t believe in eternal progression, or new revelation in scripture!

My reply would then be, This is exactly why you are not a Christian.''

Taken from :
http://www.letusreason.org/LDS6.htm

Not bad Mel, itself it has that great Ravi Z ring to it. But alas, nothing can hardly break through that hardened Mormon outer shell. Mind you, I'm not saying we insiders will ever give up, nor should we ever resolve to give up but only that these things are sometimes only left up to the kids changing the many various adult's minds. (Their Very Own Children) We have very little sway.

Now ask me something else, ask me how my spiritual experiences while happening during the time period that I was Mormon while I was still strongly LDS helped lead me to believe my God was much much bigger than Mormonism.

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Melanie
Post  Post subject: Re: Clear evangelism example.  |  Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 2:54 pm
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Oh yes....and how God leads us out. Now there is an interesting conversation!

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joseph's myth
Post  Post subject: Clear Evangelism Examples  |  Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 4:22 pm
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Melanie wrote:
Oh yes....and how God leads us out. Now there is an interesting conversation!


The only, and I do mean ONLY one's trying to always impress that each spiritual experience was there to prove Mormonism true was you guessed right... Mormonism itself! Gsheesh, great Googa-Mooga.

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Post  Post subject: Re: Clear evangelism example.  |  Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 7:50 am
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When 2 missionaries stopped by our house, my wife asked a few questions about why and told them that "This is a divine appointment"

We got about 30 minutes to share Jesus with them from the Bible.

It visibly affected them both but in different ways. The Junior one seemed to be following along more, he friended us on facebook and there was a later discussion on the book of Romans. The senior one seemed challenged and maybe a bit scared. I don't think either was really ready for us ... Seeds were planted and we believe that God's word does not return void.

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teoma2
Post  Post subject: Re: Clear evangelism example.  |  Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 8:34 am
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Depending on the situation, and how brutally honest I want to be, I usually whisper : "Its common knowledge where I grew up in Western New York State, that the founder of the Mormon Movement was a convicted Glass looker/con man." If they persist in a defense or seem skeptical, I also add: "Try Googling: Joseph Smith vs. State of New York." I leave them with that and walk away.

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Melanie
Post  Post subject: Re: Clear evangelism example.  |  Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 10:42 am
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t2, I look forward to the day when you are evangelising :)

In recent months I have decided that, for me, my evangelism is only to be done with love and respect and joy in both sharing with the Elders and learning from them. The LDS Church does not practice Christianity, but there is much that is of the true Christ in it and in the Elders, and it is the testimony of my heart, that this, that He, is way more powerful than that which is absolutely not of Him.

I have decided that having this approach speaks a very loud witness to the Elders.

Don't shout at me :)

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joseph's myth
Post  Post subject: Clear Evangelism Examples  |  Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 8:39 pm
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Melanie wrote:
t2, I look forward to the day when you are evangelising :)

In recent months I have decided that, for me, my evangelism is only to be done with love and respect and joy in both sharing with the Elders and learning from them. The LDS Church does not practice Christianity, but there is much that is of the true Christ in it and in the Elders, and it is the testimony of my heart, that this, that He, is way more powerful than that which is absolutely not of Him.

I have decided that having this approach speaks a very loud witness to the Elders.

Don't shout at me :)


God knows some really neat front page Google searches from strategic algorithm based action, ain't a very bad suppliment, either.

I'll go see about maybe another round or two, okay?

Glory glory glory...

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Melanie
Post  Post subject: Re: Clear evangelism example.  |  Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 1:13 pm
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Just out July 2017. Looks interesting! Saw on MormonThink.


''Grant Palmer, author and former CES Director of the LDS Church has just published a new book titled "Restoring Christ: Leaving Mormon Jesus for Jesus of the Gospels".

Summary: He has come to greatly prefer the Jesus of the Gospels over the Jesus of Mormonism. This book is an exploration of the foundations of his journey, and what he has chosen to believe, what he hopes others might consider. He writes on Christianity and Mormonism, with the hope that struggling Latter-day Saints can find a way forward with Christ as their foundation. Looking at both Christianity and Mormonism, his intent is to lift the baby from the bathwater, to restore the Savior, with no desire to save the Jesus of Mormonism. Joseph Smith’s Restoration has grave problems. Joseph went astray in his view, because Joseph went beyond the footprint of Jesus’ teachings—committing the same mistake he claimed others had made.

This book is a Restoration-type endeavor; an effort to rediscover what is most basic, most important. How ironic to seek to restore the Christ of the Gospels from Mormonism! So what does a Latter-day Saint do when they discover that the church narrative they were taught all their life has fallen apart? For him, the “revelations” of Mormon Jesus and their practice by Joseph Smith—as especially seen in chapters 9, 17-19—is radically different from the behavior, character and personality of Jesus of Nazareth. For example, Smith produced “scriptures” which depended on nineteenth-century sources, claiming them to be ancient. He initiated a secret “spiritual wife system” which included concubines and slandered women who resisted his sexual advances. He married young teenagers and other men’s wives. He cursed his enemies and set up a secret organization, had himself ordained king and sought to violently overthrow the Nation. Comparing the two portraits has been the single most cathartic event since Grant’s crisis of faith. He finds the Jesus of the Gospels to better reflect God’s nature and love, and thus how to clearly respond to others as a disciple.''

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teoma2
Post  Post subject: Re: Clear evangelism example.  |  Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 8:11 am
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I do think that you are right Melanie("Don't shout at me.") Looking back at past interchanges or conversations, if I made a big deal of it, so did they, the participants. Whispering does deliver the message better.

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Melanie
Post  Post subject: Re: Clear evangelism example.  |  Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 10:57 am
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Thanks friend :happy-sunshine:


Spine Tingling contemporary Stunning example of evangelism at its best,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_dZzId_saI

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Post  Post subject: Re: Clear evangelism example.  |  Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 6:45 am
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When I was having 'the visits' (encouraged by me so they could hear stuff they wouldn't get anywhere else, including calling 1 of them by his first name which I'd found out by accident :titter: ), I didn't get too theological with them but showed them a guide book to the temples at Angkor Wat in Cambodia and the creation myth of the Churning of the Sea of Milk. That directed them towards a conversation about 'creation myths' and challenged them to explain why their Mormon myth trumps all others. Interesting reactions from them varying from almost scared to intrigued and interested. Nice kids, beautiful manners but so naive. Sad.


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Abinadi
Post  Post subject: Re: Clear evangelism example.  |  Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 3:29 pm
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Melanie wrote:
Just out July 2017. Looks interesting! Saw on MormonThink.


''Grant Palmer, author and former CES Director of the LDS Church has just published a new book titled "Restoring Christ: Leaving Mormon Jesus for Jesus of the Gospels".

During part of my present incarnation ( :) ), I did a powerful load of research not just on the regular Mormon church, but on a lot of the churches that broke off from it. The extinct ones and the ones still going on today. Several things surprised me among many of them. One thing that often surprised me was how "Christian" they were, traditional Christian, and how very un"Mormon" they were. Some large ones that believe the Book of Mormon didn't believe any of Joseph Smith's or Brigham Young's bizarre innovations. When someone is an almost "regular Christian" it's hard to see how to separate him from the Book of Mormon - or even why that would be important. So I understand that it's harder for the exotics - churches that accept Brigham Young's irrationalities about God and people on the sun and moon, and Joseph Smith's confused preaching on "intelligences" and astronomy and "celestial plural adultery and incest - to give up the Book of Mormon. If that book is false, maybe all the rest of the goodies are false, too. Gnosticism is alive and well in Mormonism.

I'm not too much interested in Christian perspectives, but I am interested in how Mormons finally wake up to the deceit, treachery, manipulation, and crudities they have endured for so many years. So maybe I will give this book a look.

He isn't really criticizing the Church.
He's just telling them what he believes, and then it's their decision what to believe. ;)


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Post  Post subject: Clear evangelism example.  |  Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 2:08 am
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Abinadi wrote:
Melanie wrote:
Just out July 2017. Looks interesting! Saw on MormonThink.


''Grant Palmer, author and former CES Director of the LDS Church has just published a new book titled "Restoring Christ: Leaving Mormon Jesus for Jesus of the Gospels".

During part of my present incarnation ( :) ), I did a powerful load of research not just on the regular Mormon church, but on a lot of the churches that broke off from it. The extinct ones and the ones still going on today. Several things surprised me among many of them. One thing that often surprised me was how "Christian" they were, traditional Christian, and how very un"Mormon" they were. Some large ones that believe the Book of Mormon didn't believe any of Joseph Smith's or Brigham Young's bizarre innovations. When someone is an almost "regular Christian" it's hard to see how to separate him from the Book of Mormon - or even why that would be important. So I understand that it's harder for the exotics - churches that accept Brigham Young's irrationalities about God and people on the sun and moon, and Joseph Smith's confused preaching on "intelligences" and astronomy and "celestial plural adultery and incest - to give up the Book of Mormon. If that book is false, maybe all the rest of the goodies are false, too. Gnosticism is alive and well in Mormonism.

I'm not too much interested in Christian perspectives, but I am interested in how Mormons finally wake up to the deceit, treachery, manipulation, and crudities they have endured for so many years. So maybe I will give this book a look.

He isn't really criticizing the Church.
He's just telling them what he believes, and then it's their decision what to believe. ;)


The need to bleed. The need to suffer. I know, I know, who needs that... right??

Awakening, maybe reawakening from that terror and that nightmare is a true evangelistic quest. When the terrorising is a deeply seated need, it's kinda hard to get em to give it all up.

Maybe because they want so hard to replace it with something else.

The blood and suffering of Jesus's body is not enough, it's too quaint, too regular.

So maybe, they take on their own suffering.

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