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Post  Post subject: DTP Dan "Terrible" Peterson  |  Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 5:16 am
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Hugh Nibley started out with what he thought, "a terrible question", only because it might limit LDS control, control, control.

Dan Peterson is no better, maybe in actuality, a little bit worse.

http://m.deseretnews.com/article/865641 ... .com.au%2F

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Post  Post subject: Re: DTP Dan "Terrible" Peterson  |  Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 8:41 am
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Mormonism offers unusually specific answers to the terrible questions: However our physical bodies arose, our spirits come directly from heaven, where we lived with God our Father. We gain material bodies here in this world, which serves both as a test for us and as a school for the eternities. We will, if we merit it, live again with God, but in a far richer way for which our earthly sojourn is a necessary prerequisite.


Unusually specific doesn't mean accurate or true.

live again with God seems to downplay and divert from the real goal, that of replacing God by becoming a God of your own with your own world and living equal to God.

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Post  Post subject: DTP Dan "Terrible" Peterson  |  Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 10:07 am
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productofchoice wrote:
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Mormonism offers unusually specific answers to the terrible questions: However our physical bodies arose, our spirits come directly from heaven, where we lived with God our Father. We gain material bodies here in this world, which serves both as a test for us and as a school for the eternities. We will, if we merit it, live again with God, but in a far richer way for which our earthly sojourn is a necessary prerequisite.


Unusually specific doesn't mean accurate or true.

live again with God seems to downplay and divert from the real goal, that of replacing God by becoming a God of your own with your own world and living equal to God.

Peace


These are the older tactics employed before the Internet could help with deciphering the double-speak and confusing eloquence these two delinquents try and get-over on the common folk.

The truly fantastic truth is that the tiny Mormon box doesn't work anymore. It's terrible for them.

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Post  Post subject: Re: DTP Dan "Terrible" Peterson  |  Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 11:53 pm
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"unusually specific"? Hardly! Brigham Young might have been unusually specific, but his words are rejected while his authority to speak them is respected.
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Post  Post subject: Re: DTP Dan "Terrible" Peterson  |  Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 8:11 am
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I might add: The "unusually specific" details also have their roots in teachings from the Book of Abraham and the Book of Moses; works that are easily proven to be fictitious. http://richkelsey.org/book_of_moses_cha ... nisms.html

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Post  Post subject: Re: DTP Dan "Terrible" Peterson  |  Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 1:57 pm
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I believe why LDS leaders consider the subject of man's origin and the origin of the universe, including the earth, "The Terrible Question" is because they feel uncomfortable answering the subject.

Perhaps it is not the question which is so terrible; yet, rather the answers to the question.

When I was in my 20s I took a bible college course on Evolution Refutation. We studied the arguments for and against Evolution — the rise of all life on earth from basically a primordial soup; followed by survival of the fittest.

I learned the arguments for Creation theory as spelled out in the bible.

We looked at the evidence for a worldwide flood; and, a fairly young earth. I personally found palm fronds about 75 miles north of where I live; and, I understand that this area of Washington state, was once subtropical, as well as Alaska.

The palm fronds I have as well as other leaves and vegetation were evidently covered in a very short span of time as to preserve their leaves, indicating the leaves had not fallen from the trees before being covered. I was watching a video on scientists digging in tundra and finding leaves that upon thawing were still green.

The teacher in the Evolution Refutation class suggested that the flood waters could have come down in the form of freezing rain near the earth's poles. To me that fits the evidence. So, in a sense, true science fits with my understanding of Creation and Flood theory better than theories that do not consider God in the equation.

None of the questions brought up in class were terrible; including questions on RNA, DNA, Carbon Dating, etc. And, nothing was not allowed to be discussed.

What I find amusing are stories of frozen animal finds:
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"The frozen body of a 10,000 to 15,000 year old mammoth found on a remote island in the Arctic Ocean has yielded a stunning find: blood so well preserved that it flowed freely from the ancient mammal..."
http://www.foxnews.com/science/2013/05/ ... s-say.html

Because, people are often so stunned to find the creatures so well preserved. I believe the reason they are stunned is because their theory does not easily fit the evidence right in front of them.

To them, the terrible question could be:

"Have you ever considered that instead of the mammoth "stomping over the frozen tundra" it could have been living in a subtropical environment and frozen along with the tundra?

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Post  Post subject: Re: DTP Dan "Terrible" Peterson  |  Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 4:04 pm
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For those interested:

I have just looked for up to date information on woolly mammoths:

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Some were entombed in a standing position. The good state of preservation of the stomach contents does not call for super-rapid freezing of the carcasses. Rather than food digestion, the mammoth stomach acts as a food storage pouch.
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The information on the woolly mammoths in Siberia is confusing, and most of it is published in Russian. All this data, and the many hypotheses, were bound to influence creationists, who also have been attempting to interpret the evidence in a catastrophic framework related to the Flood. Harold Clark64 recognised that the extinction of the mammoths in Siberia was a major puzzle that needed a creationist explanation: ‘One of the most perplexing phenomena of geology is that of the so-called “frozen mammoths” of Siberia.’

Many creationists have leaned towards a Flood demise.65,66,67,68 Joseph Dillow,69 who wrote an in-depth book on the vapour canopy, focussed considerable attention on how the woolly mammoth became extinct.70 He proposed that the hairy beasts were quick-frozen just before the Flood. Walter Brown32 included a chapter in his hydroplate model on what happened to the woolly mammoths. He proposed that the woolly mammoths died during the Flood by a quick freeze. Dillow and Brown made several mistaken deductions on the data related to the woolly mammoth and its environment in Beringia, such as that there is over 1,200 m of ‘muck’ containing animal and vegetative remains.71,72

Clark64, Harold Coffin,73 and myself 74 believe that the woolly mammoth lived and died during the ice age after the Flood." https://answersingenesis.org/environmen ... eeze-9849/

I do remember hearing that some were found frozen while standing on their feet with undigested food in their stomachs and many other types of animals were found with them. Whether or not everything I wrote in the post before is right on the money to me is not really the issue; the point I was trying to make is that the question surrounding, let's say the extinction of the wooly mammoths, should not be considered a terrible question.

Also: We may have not heard the last answer to this puzzle. I believe keeping an open mind is the answer; along with willing to change our belief system if our old theories are proven wrong.

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