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Post  Post subject: Atheist Post Mormon Moderator  |  Posted: Sun May 25, 2014 8:42 am
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Atheism destinie's it's following of peoples, as almost divine atheist. I couldn't have found foundation in my brain cell walls to come up with that great concept, lol.

Jesus and Moses must have converted. Ok ok, I'll try and slow down.

Atheism still maybe requires much faith, with scientific holes so huge and massive. Billions and billions of holes to fill. Way way more old than five or six thousand years could try and solve. Perhaps five thousand was a number associated with forever, when the ancients lived and roamed around the lands.

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When we are talking healing, it is pretty clear evidence that God is there and since He is there, and people can find out about healings, then it is reasonable to assume that an atheist is making a choice not to consider those things.

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Post  Post subject: Atheist Post Mormon Moderator  |  Posted: Sun May 25, 2014 4:13 pm
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That's all cool Lilly, it's just all mostly about atheism on just this thread right now, K?

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Of course, just what precisely about atheism since I thought you were making a statement about it being a choice?

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Post  Post subject: Atheist Post Mormon Moderator  |  Posted: Mon May 26, 2014 3:13 am
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Lilly wrote:
Of course, just what precisely about atheism since I thought you were making a statement about it being a choice?

Thank you for being completely accommodating (as usual), y'see, something may be trying to maybe happen here and I want to try and get to the possible core of it beforehand, and almost anything could become distracting.

Something seems to maybe encompass and be indicating willingness, I don't know.

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My niece and nephew are 10 and 12. They have not been raised with any religion at all. Someone said something to my nephew when he was 5 about god, and he said, "Yeah, but he isn't real, is he?"

A few years later, other children at school demanded to know what religion they were. So my nephew came to us and asked, "What religion are we?"

I said, "We don't go to church, do we? We don't have a religion." My Dad shouted out, "We're Christian!" That's the first time I even realized that my Dad might believe in god. He's never mentioned it and he's in his 80s.

I'm very proud of my niece and nephew. I don't just love them because they're family, but they're amazing young human beings. They're both very intelligent and they're kind. I've never known my sister to ever have to discipline them. You ask them to go to bed and they just do. They've been that way since they were very small.

I talk to them and there's a great wisdom coming from those two young people. It's almost like having a conversation with adults, even though they're only 10 and 12. I hope for wonderful things from them. I don't expect wonderful things, as that's not fair to them, but I hope for them anyway.

I was raised without religion and I wish I'd not gone searching for it myself. I think it messed with my head. I'm going back to living as though religion had never been a part of my life. If people ask, I now just say, "I wasn't raised with religion," which is true. I wasn't.

I am atheist in my belief, in that I do not believe in god.

I am agnostic in my knowledge in that I do not know whether or not there's a god.

That's the most accurate and simple way that I can put it. How other people perceive me is none of my business. I can only explain what I am. I know what I am, no matter what other preconceived notions people might have about atheism.

But I'm very glad that my parents raised me without religion. They were supportive when I joined the Church, even though they had a lot of concerns about it. They were even more supportive when I left, and relieved I think too.

I am now a non-religious person and I feel like a non-religious person. Now that is my choice and it's what feels right for me. What I believe is not my choice, but whether or not I live as a religious person is my choice. For the first time in my life, I'm finally comfortable in my own skin.

I'm beginning to question why, 6 years after I left the LDS Church, I'm still talking about it. Maybe it's time to be done. I think I'd miss the friends I've made though, so that's probably why I'm still here.

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Post  Post subject: Atheist Post Mormon Moderator  |  Posted: Mon May 26, 2014 7:28 am
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The reasons we may or may not have for choosing atheism. Or maybe better yet by going perhaps one thought further, the want or need to try and have a rescue from ever thinking about it all, ever again. As in maybe, almost a break, a needed escape.

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Post  Post subject: Re: Atheist Post Mormon Moderator  |  Posted: Mon May 26, 2014 8:40 am
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Rainfeather's personal belief description is another great example of the openly honest and divergent views found here on the forums. It is what gives us the strength we have, in our group, our diversity

As long as people educate themselves, about what they believe, they can believe anything.

So, Joseph, my advice to you, is to now ask yourself what it is that YOU know, and do not listen to what others tell you about what they think they know, for change may not occur, and you will not know your own truth.

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Post  Post subject: Atheist Post Mormon Moderator  |  Posted: Tue May 27, 2014 3:48 am
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teoma2 wrote:
Rainfeather's personal belief description is another great example of the openly honest and divergent views found here on the forums. It is what gives us the strength we have, in our group, our diversity

As long as people educate themselves, about what they believe, they can believe anything.

So, Joseph, my advice to you, is to now ask yourself what it is that YOU know, and do not listen to what others tell you about what they think they know, for change may not occur, and you will not know your own truth.


How did you end uo celebrating the United States Memorial Day yesterday, last night, or even just a few hours ago? What do you know about the divinity of God maybe arriving (arising) to the survice of our lands after the blessing of our Jesus the Christ? How many years apart did each of the three (freedom) legs of the supported stool that still stands today, arrive? The ancient blackpowder renamed now as gunpowder, the birth and defiance of Martin Luther and the all important first Gutenberg press.

Maybe only idiots deny the importance of the origins for the freedoms that they may enjoy each and every day?

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Post  Post subject: Atheist Post Mormon Moderator  |  Posted: Tue May 27, 2014 4:02 am
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Atheist largely believe that they do not choose that which they believe. Got it.

Or, that they have no belief system at all. Again, got it.

Don't allow faith to enter into their lives. Sure.

Have a past that strongly indicates maybe some type of spiritual abuse. Okay.

Possibly, maybe have little suspect of an idea that they are trapping themselves all over again (paridgm mapping) with another belief system, called atheism. Wow! Go ahead and say it, wow, wow, wow.

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Dude, seriously. Atheism is not a belief system.

It is the absence of a belief. It is non-belief. Non-theistic. It has no rule book to follow, no tenets and no dogma.

I'm done with this topic. If people can't even get their heads around that very basic description, then I'm just wasting my time.

I know what I am and what I'm not. But I'm not responsible for what other people think I am. It's like being Mormon all over again. As a Mormon, it was extremely frustrating when other people would tell me what a Mormon is and isn't. No matter how I tried to explain it otherwise.

It's rude to have someone explain what they are and what they aren't, only to have someone say, "No, you're not. You just think you're that. But you're really this." It's as though you've been completely dismissed and ignored, so that you might as well not have said anything at all.

I'm not putting myself in this position again. I put up with it long enough as a Mormon. Been there. Done that. I'm done.

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Post  Post subject: Atheist Post Mormon Moderator  |  Posted: Tue May 27, 2014 8:01 am
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Rainfeather wrote:
Dude, seriously. Atheism is not a belief system.

It is the absence of a belief. It is non-belief. Non-theistic. It has no rule book to follow, no tenets and no dogma.

I'm done with this topic...


Alright, let's maybe try to agree to disagree, k?

The only thing is Socrates spoke only truths, and if you don't have all of the facts you are forced into conclusion using faith and beliefs. I can easily hear that you may not want or trust that you may be relying on faith and beliefs but in this one case there might be simply no way around it all.


Try never to feel upset, feel the powers that go greatly beyond this unfathomable universe.

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I’ve been sitting here are work this morning, thinking about this discussion and the frustration it has caused me to feel.

Joe, I’ve known you for several years and in all that time, I’ve never known you to be contentious in any way. You were one of the first people to welcome me here to this forum and you were supportive all through my process of discovery. You were excited along with me as I finally received my final “you’re outta here” letter from Salt Lake Headquarters, and I thank you for that. Whatever has set you off lately, I hope you are able to work through it and that all will be well with you.

But you have done me a favour. I need to take a more “live and let live” approach to my life. This thread has reminded me of what it felt like to love the Saviour with all my heart, only to be told by other Christians that I was not a Christian because I was the Mormon brand of Christian. It felt horrible. I will never do that again. No matter what my personal opinion is, I have no right to tell anyone that they’re not a Christian, if they profess to be one, and I’ll never do that again.

Religious people obviously have a pre-conceived notion of what atheism is and there’s nothing that I can do to change that. They clearly can’t even wrap their heads around the idea of not believing in anything when it comes to god. But I’m completely done defending myself to others. I won’t be explaining it again to people who do not wish to accept that someone actually doesn’t believe in god, rather than just chooses not to. It’s no different than telling someone that they only left the Mormon Church because they wanted to sin. Or Mormons telling ex-Mos that they really do believe, deep down inside. Their spirit knows it, even if they’re not admitting it. It’s insulting.

I will live and let live. I will recognize that people simply believe different things and I’ve no right to dictate to them what they believe and what they do not believe, no matter what my personal opinion may be.

Agree to disagree on this one.

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Post  Post subject: Atheist Post Mormon Moderator  |  Posted: Tue May 27, 2014 9:48 am
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Rainfeather wrote:
I’ve been sitting here are work this morning, thinking about this discussion and the frustration it has caused me to feel.

Joe, I’ve known you for several years and in all that time, I’ve never known you to be contentious in any way. You were one of the first people to welcome me here to this forum and you were supportive all throe outta here” letter from Salt Lake Headquarters, and I thank you for that. Whatever has set you off lately...

Agree to disagree on this one.


Nobody's telling you what to choose to follow or what path to follow. It must feel like I could be suggesting what you must believe, sorry to not communicate this maybe clearly enough.

Where we are choosing to disagree is precisely that you choose to trust or "believe" that atheism is rock solid truth, not completely based on trust, and faith, and belief, there's that "belief" word again. The thinking has been done, lol, another LDS hold-over for sure.

No problem to agree to disagree here. :)

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Abinadi wrote:

And what about non-water life!? I used to follow science fiction analyses of the biochemistry of alien life forms. Like "Mission of Gravity" and a lot of short stories in "Analog Science Fact and Fiction." They were fascinating. I've since learned that a lot of the possible alternatives to Carbon, Oxygen, and Water, while theoretically suitable, are not as flexible (is that the right word?) as C, H, and O, in forming molecules that can do the things needing to be done at the level of DNA, RNA, centrioles, centrosomes, rybozomes, etc. Nevertheless, I am one of those who still half-expects and fully wishes we find "life" on other planets. It looks increasingly less likely - "If not us, who? If not Mars, where?" - but I haven't given up watching for a discovery of life elsewhere.
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Possibly liquid may be the key. Instead of water, how about liquid methane on Titan? I agree. Fascinating stuff.

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Post  Post subject: Re: Atheist Post Mormon Moderator  |  Posted: Thu May 29, 2014 8:13 am
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So its agreed? Time to lock or shut down this thread, and let everyone believe what ever the hell they want? All in favor.....

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I'm not for shutting down threads , t2. This is not RfM, where you blink and they close a thread. Everyone can believe what they want to anyway. There should be nothing to shy away from in a good old discussion with respect all along the way. I value hearing others' opinions and I have learned a lot from folk who walk a different path to me. What was that you told me....the truth can look after itself when it is set free. :)

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Mostly, I think the friction is over definitions. I've been reading and I guess that some definitions of atheism sound more like what I consider angositicism. But that said, I'm no expert in these other areas nor am I any form of definition expert. What I think we've done is hit some hot areas because of the meanings that people put on the terms.

I think of it like a political discussion.
A person might be a republican of one party but not support the full party platform. A second person might say they seem like a democrat based on the divergences from the republican platform.

I think when you get down to personal beliefs, people get put into buckets and sometimes they don't perfectly fit the bucket ... and sometimes want to be in a bucket other than the one someone else might say they fit best in.

This is also the same tension created when someone might say that a Mormon isn't Christian or that Mormonism is a cult. At a high level these discussions are hot.

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Post  Post subject: Re: Atheist Post Mormon Moderator  |  Posted: Thu May 29, 2014 9:17 pm
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OK, POC, thanks for reminding me not to put myself on your bucket list.
and I'll confess, (but only to Melanie), that this is not the first instance where I have had to eat that proverbial crow.

So shall we all remain friends, continue on, and learn more from each other?

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Post  Post subject: Atheist Post Mormon Moderator  |  Posted: Fri May 30, 2014 2:20 am
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Seems maybe a "Love Blocking" by the atheist following might have become incredibly ironical.

http://www.postmormon.org/exp_e/index.p ... 34/#599170

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