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  Post  Post subject: Thomas Monson Morals On Shifting Sands  |  Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 8:38 pm
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He really makes this entirely way way too easy for anyone willing to take a closer look. I am so very saddened by all of this.

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Post  Post subject: Re: Thomas Monson Morals On Shifting Sands  |  Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 3:37 am
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President Monson declared, “It is impossible to stand upright when one plants his roots in the shifting sands of popular opinion and approval. Needed is the courage of a Daniel, an Abinadi, a Moroni, or a Joseph Smith in order for us to hold strong and fast to that which we know is right.”


Cheer up ....we know all about courage and we have our own Abinadi and Joey. :handgestures-thumbupleft:


And you are right, he has made it way too easy to see his inconsistencies and he has clearly shown his hand.

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Post  Post subject: Thomas Monson Morals On Shifting Sands  |  Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 5:59 am
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Lilly wrote:
President Monson declared, “It is impossible to stand upright when one plants his roots in the shifting sands of popular opinion and approval. Needed is the courage of a Daniel, an Abinadi, a Moroni, or a Joseph Smith in order for us to hold strong and fast to that which we know is right.”


Cheer up ....we know all about courage and we have our own Abinadi and Joey. :handgestures-thumbupleft:


And you are right, he has made it way too easy to see his inconsistencies and he has clearly shown his hand.


Oh, and how I just knew I could again trust to be cheery above all expectations! Wow, thanks.

http://www.postmormon.org/exp_e/index.p ... 17/#596045

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Post  Post subject: Re: Thomas Monson Morals On Shifting Sands  |  Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 6:57 am
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I think Monson is too intellectually lean to realize what his own feet are planted in, those shifting sands of public sentiment that he berates publically and futilely.

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Post  Post subject: Thomas Monson Morals On Shifting Sands  |  Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 7:41 am
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teoma2 wrote:
I think Monson is too intellectually lean to realize what his own feet are planted in, those shifting sands of public sentiment that he berates publically and futilely.


I hope that is all it is! Please, please please don't let it be the other.

((hint)) Romney might be maybe warming-up, again... http://guardianlv.com/2014/04/rumor-has ... ite-house/

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Post  Post subject: Re: Thomas Monson Morals On Shifting Sands  |  Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 3:07 pm
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Someone could write a book on anti-thinking with the quotes of Pres. Monson. I didn't read or watch anything this time and guess what...I didn't feel guilty. ;) haha


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Post  Post subject: Thomas Monson Morals On Shifting Sands  |  Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 8:31 am
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elconquistador wrote:
Someone could write a book on anti-thinking with the quotes of Pres. Monson. I didn't read or watch anything this time and guess what...I didn't feel guilty. ;) haha

What? I scarcely can't believe you couldn't find the time to watch the ten hour YouTube LDS presentation on this April 2014 conference with added testimony and other sales pitchs. ...emmh, emmh-emmh, there's little hope 4 U now! ((Total Sarcasm))

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Post  Post subject: Re: Thomas Monson Morals On Shifting Sands  |  Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 11:23 am
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Melanie wrote:
President Monson declared, “It is impossible to stand upright when one plants his roots in the shifting sands of popular opinion and approval. Needed is the courage of a Daniel, an Abinadi, a Moroni, or a Joseph Smith in order for us to hold strong and fast to that which we know is right.”


Cheer up ....we know all about courage and we have our own Abinadi and Joey. :handgestures-thumbupleft:


And you are right, he has made it way too easy to see his inconsistencies and he has clearly shown his hand.


In the absence of one of these imaginary or modern false prophets, I wonder if Jesus or the Holy Spirit would do?

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Post  Post subject: Thomas Monson Morals On Shifting Sands  |  Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 2:04 pm
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productofchoice wrote:
Melanie wrote:
President Monson declared, “It is impossible to stand upright when one plants his roots in the shifting sands of popular opinion and approval. Needed is the courage of a Daniel, an Abinadi, a Moroni, or a Joseph Smith in order for us to hold strong and fast to that which we know is right.”


Cheer up ....we know all about courage and we have our own Abinadi and Joey. :handgestures-thumbupleft:


And you are right, he has made it way too easy to see his inconsistencies and he has clearly shown his hand.


In the absence of one of these imaginary or modern false prophets, I wonder if Jesus or the Holy Spirit would do?

Peace

Tommy is fading fast, cannot barely speak more than a sentence or two at his friend's funeral the other day. He'll be gone soon. Too many buildings rushing to get dedicated (heh, dead-okay'd-it) and he doesn't even attend. So now just look at him as having one foot on the other side. Oh, he's closer than any fake, false or totally fabricated LDS prophet has ever been.

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Post  Post subject: Re: Thomas Monson Morals On Shifting Sands  |  Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 4:20 pm
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You can never quite trust a dead LDS prophet ...

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Post  Post subject: Thomas Monson Morals On Shifting Sands  |  Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 5:04 pm
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productofchoice wrote:
You can never quite trust a dead LDS prophet ...

Peace


The Mormon prophets of old are a lot like zombies, you never know when one might turn up in your seminary class and quoted till the cows come home. Unless of course, the stupid stuff that they always seem to say rubs the present non-dementia prophet the wrong way.

Then the zombie LDS prophet is quickly thrown underneath the bus, where he will be regurgitated back to life the next time it seems he might be needed.

Auggh, living zombie LDS prophets fight dead zombie Mormon prophets all the time it seems, so much so that there is now a declaration!
https://www.lds.org/manual/teachings-of ... ng-prophet

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Post  Post subject: Re: Thomas Monson Morals On Shifting Sands  |  Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:33 am
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Interesting that when Benson first gave this talk he was not a prophet. So if the living prophet is most important, by his own point Benson is diminished in authority to declare that.

And since giving that talk there were modifications to the talk. The audio does not match the transcript that gets published. The transcript does not match the lesson manual that Joey shared and the lesson manual does not quote the whole talk nor give a reference to an English version of the talk on the LDS.org website, though they exist. Given that Benson is long dead, maybe it's a sign that there are no longer 14 principles or that no longer are living prophets such a big deal but the peaked in importance 50 years ago and we are now entering a new era.

Other interesting points can be found here:
http://rationalfaiths.com/fourteen-fund ... g-prophet/

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Post  Post subject: Thomas Monson Morals On Shifting Sands  |  Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:03 pm
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productofchoice wrote:
Interesting that when Benson first gave this talk he was not a prophet. So if the living prophet is most important, by his own point Benson is diminished in authority to declare that.

And since giving that talk there were modifications to the talk. The audio does not match the transcript that gets published. The transcript does not match the lesson manual that Joey shared and the lesson manual does not quote the whole talk nor give a reference to an English version of the talk on the LDS.org website, though they exist. Given that Benson is long dead, maybe it's a sign that there are no longer 14 principles or that no longer are living prophets such a big deal but they peaked in importance 50 years ago and we are now entering a new era.

Other interesting points can be found here:
http://rationalfaiths.com/fourteen-fund ... g-prophet/

Peace


They peaked in performance all right, on the terribly muddied road since beginning the trek from the start, The American Second Great Awakening (snoozing) that keeps everything changing because everything (just about everything and anything) to do with Mormonism is wrong wrong wrong. The Anglican community left America in 1776 with a sworn oath to the Queen and largely left a ton of farmboys within the boundaries of upstate NY to begin experimenting with ideas after two generations of un-taught and unlearned minds became exceedingly vulnerable. Figuring you may need only one lost generation to muddy the path, here we have at least two.

This leads us again to where we are today in the LDS church and I must emphasize no capitalized (C) in church. Simply because it has changed so much, will continue to change and will never stop changing. A church that can never repent nor begin to offer sincere apologies because the most basic and fundamental aspect of Christian behavior is being overlooked.

Nice find you have there POC, impressive!

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Post  Post subject: Thomas Monson Morals On Shifting Sands  |  Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 5:31 pm
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His feet are frail, his heart unsteady, as is his mind and his hope is diminishing to make it very much further.

Nelson can smell the presidency and is warming up to become the next prophet in line.

http://www.sltrib.com/home/4796695-155/ ... nd-live-by

He's giving it his best. In the LDS church (small C) we follow the profit, cash is king and as always, continuously preaching the golden rule. Those who tote the gold make all the rules!

http://www.sltrib.com/home/4785505-155/ ... lson-takes

I'd be careful suggesting millenials do their homework...

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