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Post  Post subject: $35 Million for more pulp fiction?  |  Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 9:53 am
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Touted to be "game changer" for the LD$ Corp by the press, the purchase of alleged original BOM manuscripts from a competing sect. This purchase will no doubt be squirreled away in the vaults so as to avoid any critical comparison of the updated versions now being used.

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Post  Post subject: $35 Million for more pulp fiction?  |  Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:05 am
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Touted to be "game changer" for the LD$ Corp by the press, the purchase of alleged original BOM manuscripts from a competing sect. This purchase will no doubt be squirreled away in the vaults so as to avoid any critical comparison of the updated versions now being used.


It's all supposed to be on the josephsmithpapers.org website.

Mormons and Mormonism is out to deceive deceive and deceive so I guess you'll be right after all.

https://www.deseretnews.com/article/865 ... ty-of.html

http://www.sltrib.com/news/2017/09/21/3 ... n-history/

The $35million may be peanuts compared to what it could now cost them in court cases involving fraud since now authenticating the rare and valuable papers with this recent purchase.

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Post  Post subject: Re: $35 Million for more pulp fiction?  |  Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 9:22 am
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When anyone with a dollop of common sense realizes that the Mormon Movement places this piece of proven fiction( the so called "Book of Mormon") along side the Bible, you have to start questioning their over all belief system.

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Post  Post subject: $35 Million for more pulp fiction?  |  Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 11:04 am
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teoma2 wrote:
When anyone with a dollop of common sense realizes that the Mormon Movement places this piece of proven fiction ( the so called "Book of Mormon") along side the Bible, you have to start questioning their over all belief system.


The continuing and ongoing tragedy for something so blatently wrong to remain somewhat absolved from a more proper resolution is a component of any lifelong love of learning, when studying this whole thing.

Be amazed, be truly amazed!

You left out this apparent quest of Mormonism to promote (temple marrige of multiple wives) painful and recommended antics that have awarded the LDS church (sm C) with Accidental Mormon Incest.

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Post  Post subject: Re: $35 Million for more pulp fiction?  |  Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 7:52 am
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I don't get the "Game Changer" comment.

It was already known to exist.
They already had photocopies online.
They already had the text converted to type.

What changed? Possession?

It's a relic. IF there is a value it's in what? Demonstrating that the LDS are more "Mormon" than the Reformed LDS?

What this document does expose is the changes to the text from the first transcription to the Printers Edition (this document) and then to the first and later editions that were printed.

It might give them a place to point to when declaring that there were unscrupulous printers and some evidence that there were some things changed.
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It might wash away that excuse and show that the printer did a great job of printing what the church gave them to print and that the majority of the 4000+ changes were sourced somewhere else.

Seems risky if I was the church.

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Post  Post subject: Re: $35 Million for more pulp fiction?  |  Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 8:42 am
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POC, having this so called manuscript in possession, allows the owners to control the information upon it in a manner that is for certain going to be faith promoting, no matter what the text actually reads. And who will get to check or appraise it? Certainly not us, nor any critically thinking individual like Faun Brodie, Jeremy Runnels, Jon Krakauer, Sam Brower, myself or you for that matter. Said owners can be free to cover up, add, subtract, delete any and all comments and no one would be the wiser, since they now control access to the documents in question.

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Post  Post subject: $35 Million for more pulp fiction?  |  Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 4:15 am
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teoma2 wrote:
POC, having this so called manuscript in possession, allows the owners to control the information upon it in a manner that is for certain going to be faith promoting, no matter what the text actually reads. And who will get to check or appraise it? Certainly not us, nor any critically thinking individual like Faun Brodie, Jeremy Runnels, Jon Krakauer, Sam Brower, myself or you for that matter. Said owners can be free to cover up, add, subtract, delete any and all comments and no one would be the wiser, since they now control access to the documents in question.


Yeah, along with the talks given at bi-annual conference that were transcribed into script differently than what was said. Or better yet, the newest printing with changes to The Book Of Mormon.

Here lemme help our a little!

Conference is this weekend, the actual audio is so very easily altered now. It's almost as if VOCO does it for you! The script and actual audio are forever changed with just a few clicks. The lips in the video move and out comes something different.


Was this made perfectly for Mormonism or what? https://youtu.be/I3l4XLZ59iw

Unbelievable! Somehow, someway, something's gotta give...

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Post  Post subject: Re: $35 Million for more pulp fiction?  |  Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 7:53 am
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teoma2 wrote:
POC, having this so called manuscript in possession, allows the owners to control the information upon it in a manner that is for certain going to be faith promoting, no matter what the text actually reads. And who will get to check or appraise it? Certainly not us, nor any critically thinking individual like Faun Brodie, Jeremy Runnels, Jon Krakauer, Sam Brower, myself or you for that matter. Said owners can be free to cover up, add, subtract, delete any and all comments and no one would be the wiser, since they now control access to the documents in question.


T2, I get what you're saying. Those may be the internal reasons. The text is damaged (again) and it's likely that with possession, LDS will be able to control and who and how and by whom different fragments get the high end study to get the best answers about what's on the damaged fragments, impressions from the writing of the pages above, traces of ink, etc. Possibly they will expand some of the text.

And then there's the When and How Publically these explorations are. It could be milked for quite a while to draw interest to them and their work, either from the members or in a more public place.

But a thinking outsider understands that the printers manuscript is already a copy away from having the plates. It doesn't prove the plates existed. It's real value is to expose where the changes were introduced in the chain: Scribes copy -> Printer's manuscript -> First Printing -> (later printings). And mostly that's already known though maybe some places are ambiguous because of unclear or missing text in the first two hand written documents.

Anyway, that's where my mind goes.

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Post  Post subject: Re: $35 Million for more pulp fiction?  |  Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:14 am
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I think you're correct in your thinking POC, regardless of what's altered or missing, there will be a lot more unfounded suppositions forth coming to milk this for what its worth in the faith promoting department. Personally, I can hardly wait to see how TSCC utilizes this apparently donated acquisition to produce more money for itself.

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