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Post  Post subject: James Hamula was excommunicated...  |  Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 9:15 am
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And thus far, no one is revealing the real reason for his exit. Somebody, somewhere knows something credible concerning this event?

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Post  Post subject: Re: James Hamula was excommunicated...  |  Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:12 pm
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Again, the Mormon High-hierarchy prefers to lead by allowing conflicting rumors to "explain" why things happen a certain way in the church. "He probably committed adultery." "He must have lost faith." "He must have drunk a cup of coffee." Rumor-mongering, wondering, questioning about a probably trivial event, compared to the big picture, rather than to just come out and SAY why he was axed, and then get on with the more important stuff. Maybe, for Apostles and Prophets, this is the "important stuff" - keeping people in the dark!

Reasons for axing him? Hard to say, but will be said, eventually. In the meantime:

https://www.reddit.com/r/exmormon/comments/6snx0x/james_j_hamulas_brotherinlaw_regarding_the/

Interesting tidbit:
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[–]plasticbombastic 1 point 16 hours ago
The entire Mormon membership SUSTAINED him in his calling, shouldn't they also show appreciation at his release at this coming General Conference?... "In announcing releases, leaders ask members to show their appreciation by the uplifted hand for the service of each member being released"


... and the expected endless speculation: https://www.reddit.com/r/exmormon/comments/6shogr/my_guesses_on_why_james_j_hamula_was/

Ultimately, he was excommunicated because the Quorum of 15 or 30 or however many, the Prophets and Apostles and Assitants ad infinitum, rarely possess the capacity to distinguish between their alimentary outlets and smallish earth-pits.

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Post  Post subject: James Hamula was excommunicated...  |  Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 3:16 am
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He must have done something really bad, right?

(the maintenance of latter-day lying is okay, telling the truth is not)

Exactly five hundred years ago the original Martin Luther experienced something very similar. Quick, look around there's likely another marker or two trying to almost happen again in choreographed and with nearly perfected timing.

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=51938&sid=9ce8e4c5fb55008f396cb39fa9510d2a#p128952

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=52209&hilit=protection

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Post  Post subject: Re: James Hamula was excommunicated...  |  Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 7:18 am
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The examples of others who were excommunicated used in the articles that I read point talk about why others were excommunicated. They immediately make one wonder if that's what James did?

Nice way to plant a smoking gun.

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Post  Post subject: James Hamula was excommunicated...  |  Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 11:13 am
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productofchoice wrote:
The examples of others who were excommunicated used in the articles that I read point talk about why others were excommunicated. They immediately make one wonder if that's what James did?

Nice way to plant a smoking gun.

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He can always repent and be rebaptized, but repentance isn't ever on the list of options that the LDS church and corporation will likely complete for themselves. So, Mormonism is eternally and forever stuck in the ditch.

The word "apostasy" was cast aside as a feasible reason for his removal, maybe because it's now possible all of the LDS hierarchy doesn't any longer believe, heh.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/religion/ex ... ry-n791351

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Post  Post subject: Re: James Hamula was excommunicated...  |  Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 11:46 am
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Well if it was from Sin...

And by the "Oath and Covenant of the Priesthood"

Any attempt to conceil his sin would be drive away the spirit and terminate his priesthood.

So it would be important to know and communicate when he began doing what he was doing (or thinking) so any conference talk, any speech, any Ensign message, etc could be striken from the record as it would mean that such a thing was not given by the power of the priesthood.

Likewise any priesthood blessings, ordinations, temple ceremonies, baby blessings, etc that he was involved in were really hollow and empty. Those things needs to be re-done. Recipients need to be reeducated in case they thought that they felt the Spirit, because it wasn't the Holy Spirit if he was sinning and hiding his sin.

Now I'm not saying that's what I think nor that it's what he got excommunicated for, but doesn't that follow with the big IF?

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Post  Post subject: James Hamula was excommunicated...  |  Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 5:45 am
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productofchoice wrote:
Well if it was from Sin...

And by the "Oath and Covenant of the Priesthood"

Any attempt to conceil his sin would be drive away the spirit and terminate his priesthood.

So it would be important to know and communicate when he began doing what he was doing (or thinking) so any conference talk, any speech, any Ensign message, etc could be striken from the record as it would mean that such a thing was not given by the power of the priesthood.

Likewise any priesthood blessings, ordinations, temple ceremonies, baby blessings, etc that he was involved in were really hollow and empty. Those things needs to be re-done. Recipients need to be reeducated in case they thought that they felt the Spirit, because it wasn't the Holy Spirit if he was sinning and hiding his sin.

Now I'm not saying that's what I think nor that it's what he got excommunicated for, but doesn't that follow with the big IF?

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How utterly transparent and simplistic can one be? Just a few days later and this thing comes out!

http://www.sltrib.com/news/2017/08/13/n ... n-counsel/

Bill Clinton could of told us that! ...uunhh uunhh uunhh

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Post  Post subject: Re: James Hamula was excommunicated...  |  Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 9:08 am
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Until somebody comes forward and gives the real reasons, we can't rule out the possibility that Hamula simply committed apostasy. That he googled the stuff people have been talking about and looked at source documents and decided he could no longer in good conscience remain quiet, even if _we_ didn't hear him speaking out.

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Post  Post subject: James Hamula was excommunicated...  |  Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 9:12 am
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productofchoice wrote:
Until somebody comes forward and gives the real reasons, we can't rule out the possibility that Hamula simply committed apostasy. That he googled the stuff people have been talking about and looked at source documents and decided he could no longer in good conscience remain quiet, even if _we_ didn't hear him speaking out.

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Oooo... Maybe there's a severance pkg to keep the case sealed.

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Post  Post subject: Re: James Hamula was excommunicated...  |  Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2017 2:47 pm
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I believe Richard R. Lyman was excommunicated for polygamy performed in a common-law manner - the couple pledged themselves, but no church marriage occurred. (Albert Carringon on the other hand, while sometimes reported as having engaged in polygamy, seems to have been an ordinary adulterer who called his activity simple "folly," and gave as testimony of his "innocence" that he did not ejaculate inside the women.) Lee was excommunicated because he was calling the Church leaders to task for their hypocritical handling of relations with American Indians. I'm sure they didn't know about his other indiscretions until later.

As for Hamula, God knows. I suspect he spoke favorably of polygamy; or criticized a church leader - probably a dead one, but one the others didn't want criticized; or something very mundane but the publicizing which the other leaders fear would embarrass them. As if they didn't already have enough cause for embarrassment.

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