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Rosebud
Post  Post subject: The Truth Shall Make You Free  |  Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 1:35 am
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Religious faith traditions can survive and thrive because we humans are needy, emotional beings susceptible to indoctrination, habituation, peer pressure, fears, and hopes. People feel the need for the protection of a tribe to get through this life. People feel the need for a village to help raise their children. People feel the need to believe that there is a God and a life beyond this earthly one. People want to believe that their church is the pathway to God and immortality.

People often equate finding religion with finding the truth, but it is just the opposite. People choose to believe what they want and need to believe, even if their intellect recognizes that it is not likely true, not reasonable, nor plausible, nor logical. Emotions can overshadow even copious amounts of observable evidence that points to contrary conclusions. People are very good at kidding (lying to) themselves if it makes them feel better.

Mark Twain succinctly described the cognitive dissonance that accompanies religious belief when he said, “Faith is believing what you know ain’t so.” If something “ain’t so,” it is not true, and so in a folksy, humorous, and more indirect way, Twain was saying that faith amounts to believing lies. Gulp. Putting it that way is shocking isn’t it, kind of hard to swallow, for those who have spent a great deal of their lives in a bubble of belief. People want to selectively ignore, or to accept, the tall tales of the scriptures, and it helps when those stories are characterized not as lies, but as "mysteries" or "miracles," things that only God can understand.

It is a big mistake to assume that there must be someone out there who knows more than you do about things that are actually unknowable. Is there a God, an afterlife? Answers to those questions cannot be proved or disproved. If you want to believe in God, and someone tells you assertively that he strongly believes God lives, or he tells you that he absolutely knows God exists and knows God’s will, because he has heard God’s voice or has seen God, then he confirms what you want to believe, and you will embrace what he says.

Our strong need for guidance in this life, for reassurance that there is a God and a life after death, and for answers to things unknowable, leaves us vulnerable to relying upon and following those who will convincingly tell us what we want to hear, those who will confidently offer to lead us through this life and into the next one. The myths, tall tales, mysteries, and miracles of religion are alluring because they are so much more seductive and appealing than the harsh reality and uncertainties of life.

Here’s to all of you out there who are struggling. I am wishing for each of you the determination to find in this life as much love, goodness, inspiration, and joy as you possibly can, for as long as you can, wherever they can be found. I am wishing for each of you the ability to find enough strength, peace of mind, independence, and self confidence to be true to yourself and to others, and to let eternity take care of itself.


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joseph's myth
Post  Post subject: The Truth Shall Make You Free  |  Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 6:32 am
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Rosebud wrote:
Religious faith traditions can survive and thrive because we humans are needy, emotional beings susceptible to indoctrination, habituation, peer pressure, fears, and hopes. People feel the need for the protection of a tribe to get through this life. People feel the need for a village to help raise their children. People feel the need to believe that there is a God and a life beyond this earthly one. People want to believe that their church is the pathway to God and immortality. People often equate finding religion with finding the truth, but it is just the opposite. People choose to believe what they want and need to believe, even if their intellect recognizes that it is not likely true, not reasonable, nor plausible, nor logical. Emotions can overshadow even copious amounts of observable evidence that points to contrary conclusions. People are very good at kidding (lying to) themselves if it makes them feel better. Mark Twain succinctly described the cognitive dissonance that accompanies religious belief when he said, “Faith is believing what you know ain’t so.” If something “ain’t so,” it is not true, and so in a folksy, humorous, and more indirect way, Twain was saying that faith amounts to believing lies. Gulp. Putting it that way is shocking isn’t it, kind of hard to swallow, for those who have spent a great deal of their lives in a bubble of belief. People want to selectively ignore, or to accept, the tall tales of the scriptures, and it helps when those stories are characterized not as lies, but as "mysteries" or "miracles," things that only God can understand. It is a big mistake to assume that there must be someone out there who knows more than you do about things that are actually unknowable. Is there a God, an afterlife? Answers to those questions cannot be proved or disproved. If you want to believe in God, and someone tells you assertively that he strongly believes God lives, or he tells you that he absolutely knows God exists and knows God’s will, because he has heard God’s voice or has seen God, then he confirms what you want to believe, and you will embrace what he says. Our strong need for guidance in this life, for reassurance that there is a God and a life after death, and for answers to things unknowable, leaves us vulnerable to relying upon and following those who will convincingly tell us what we want to hear, those who will confidently offer to lead us through this life and into the next one. The myths, tall tales, mysteries, and miracles of religion are alluring because they are so much more seductive and appealing than the harsh reality and uncertainties of life. Here’s to all of you out there who are struggling. I am wishing for each of you the determination to find in this life as much love, goodness, inspiration, and joy as you possibly can, for as long as you can, wherever they can be found. I am wishing for each of you the ability to find enough strength, peace of mind, independence, and self confidence to be true to yourself and to others, and to let eternity take care of itself.


Hi Rosebud, welcome back.

Can you allow a little learning into your little world or as a newbe might your thinking be a bit stuck in believing atheism isn't completely and fantastically hinged on faith?

Almost exactly like LDS leadership but in a sort-of different way, atheists say no God and Mormons are on this (CK) ckookoo quest of becoming literally (2017) godlike in celestial glory. Now though the first wifey has to be dead when marrying the next one. Crazy bastards.

You're in a tough spot.

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teoma2
Post  Post subject: Re: The Truth Shall Make You Free  |  Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 10:24 am
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Rosebud, l really liked your closing phrase, about "eternity taking care of itself," as it thoughtfully puts life into a new perspective.

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joseph's myth
Post  Post subject: The Truth Shall Make You Free  |  Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 4:24 am
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teoma2 wrote:
Rosebud, l really liked your closing phrase, about "eternity taking care of itself," as it thoughtfully puts life into a new perspective.


I don't want to blow your mind but there is maybe a more unorthodox Jewish community that believes in an eternal existence of our souls, not really a possibility in many typical Jewish traditions.

I don't know how much "fear mongering" is used when subscribing to the most orthodox Jewish cultures or how it could compare to the punishment of eternal hell so freely pushed around by too many so called Christian communities.

The rejection of hellfire and brimstone preaching or threatening a more Jewish death of your soul when you die does sort-of bring you very close to some form of orthodox Christian beliefs.

Sorry, heh heh heh....

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