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Sam
Post  Post subject: Bookof Mormon DNA Evidence  |  Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2016 2:27 pm
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What are your opinions of this dna marker being evidence for the Book of Mormon?

http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... -x2aj.html


And this being archeological evidence of Nephite sites in North America

http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... ified.html


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Melanie
Post  Post subject: Re: Bookof Mormon DNA Evidence  |  Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2016 1:17 am
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Hi! It's not true.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svfxSscxh8o

Watch this!

Nice to hear from you Sam :) Smith is not a prophet and you do not need to go through him to get to Christ, in fact, if you try, you will be distanced from Christ.

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productofchoice
Post  Post subject: Re: Bookof Mormon DNA Evidence  |  Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2016 1:44 pm
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Sam,

If there were DNA evidence, it would be massive. It's only recently that LDS have begun referring to the Nephites/Lamentites as anything other than the principle ancestors of Native Americans. Think about it. A Global flood would have killed any on the American continent long after any declared land bridge migration from Asia. The BoM records that none of the Brother of Jared's migrants survived. So what's left? Either Lehi's clan or late arrivals. What do we see? Mostly Mongoloid DNA. Doesn't make sense when compared with the BoM story.

WRT archeology, The BoM says that they had to keep written records or the language would be lost. The language was what? Hebrew (these were Abraham's descendants)? Egyptian? Assyrian? It seems unlikely that they would have brought this forward with them. Evidence of things that look like sun and moon and stars doesn't impress me. Those are seen everywhere. Why would a similarity mean anything. If they found piles of books in a cave on a table, that would be impressive. That's the kind of thing that Joseph smith said existed in the Hill Camorah. Whether we can locate any other cities or not, we know where that hill is. Why is it not excavated? Where are the digs? Where are the bones, steel weapons? Where are the breastplates, coins, horse skeletons, chariot wheels, etc? These should be plentiful in a place where millions died.

Be comforted that there are many problems with the LDS Church. It's not simply an issue of the language or geography or the plants or the animals or Coin or Steel or chariots or horses. It's much greater, it's in the theology and the anachronisms and the lies and crimes of Joseph Smith and other leaders. It's the unsupportable claim that they are a restored gospel. It's the ever decaying scripture, that constantly changes and older editions vanish.

It's what you expect when one lie leads to another.

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Abinadi
Post  Post subject: Re: Bookof Mormon DNA Evidence  |  Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2016 10:10 pm
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Thanks for the video, Melanie. It's a bit dated, but still valid, and actually covers more than just DNA.

And that's the problem with Mormons attempting to use DNA to "prove" (?) the Book of Mormon is true.

Because even if it were true that people had migrated from the Middle East to North America in 600 B.C., that would be evidence of nothing beyond a migration. It would not prove that the migrants practiced the Jewish religion, nor that they had been ordered by God, nor that their names were Lehi, Nephi, etc., nor that they found a "place" called Nahom, nor that they went westward in ships rather than eastwards and across the Bering Strait, nor that they believed in or were visited by or were taught by Jesus Christ. Nothing. DNA is evidence of human relations, but not how those relationships were established or lost.

And as the video Melanie linked to illustrates, DNA disproves the exact same Mormon claims that bookofmormonevidence imagines they prove. And, gee, how UNspecific are crosses, crescents, circles and squares in every one of the world's cultures? Do the old Polynesian headdresses prove that Hawaiians are Tibetans? Cultural similarities - of the most common symbols used by mankind - sun, crescent, tree, star, lamb, crown - prove nothing other than our universal tendency to represent our environment in art, and to use elements from our environment as metaphors. Finally, the fact that the American Indians used gold, Assyrians copper, the Scottish Highlanders feathers, or the Elbonians mud, proves only that people universally use what their environment provides. It is not the case that only Jews and people descended from them use gold, brass, arrows, and temples. Those are used all around the world.

Evidence that the Book of Mormon was more than a made-up story would be the discovery of the actual "Promised Land" cities named in the Book of Mormon, 2000 year old synagogues, churches and temples as claimed in the Book of Mormon, writings some hundreds of years old repeating and elaborating on the alleged historical accounts in the Book of Mormon, and of course certifiable evidence that when American Indians do good things and join the Mormon Church they become white and delightsome, and when they apostatize and sin they turn dark and loathsome once again.


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productofchoice
Post  Post subject: Re: Bookof Mormon DNA Evidence  |  Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 10:25 am
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Did you know that everybody who ever uses a toilet will one day die? They must be deadly. We should eliminate all toilets from society.

The world is full of correlations. People are great at seeing patterns and connections. What's more complicated is to determine causation. What causes what?

People die whether they use a toilet or just poop in the woods. It's not a causation thing. The fact that common symbols of natural things appear all over the place doesn't mean that the BoM is true.

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Abinadi
Post  Post subject: Re: Bookof Mormon DNA Evidence  |  Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2016 4:24 pm
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One might also expect that if the fortifications remained intact, so, too, would the bones of horses, and the metal weaponry, and the precious senines and asenines used as currency, and probably some of the "cement" buildings, barley, and cumoms and cureloms (or is it cumi and cureli?). That some wood was stuck in the ground is insufficient evidence, not even acceptable as "corroborative" evidence, that anything in the Book of Mormon is true. Other than the pages copied out of the King James Bible.


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