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Klaus1787
Post  Post subject: Delusional or Fraudulent Baptisms?  |  Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2015 6:18 pm
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Allegedly on August 21, 1877, Wilford Woodruff, the President of the St. George temple, received visitations from and baptized for the dead around one hundred famous individuals which included the signers of The Declaration of Independence and other U.S. Presidents and foreign statesmen and famous authors, scientists, etc. I have wondered why the framers of the U.S. Constitution were not included in the visitors' list. Perhaps Woodruff did not have an accessible list of these men.

Mr. Woodruff also listed the following Military Leaders and wives:

Admiral David Glasgow Farragut (1801-1870) American Naval Officer

Frederick the Great (1712-1786) King of Prussia

Thomas Jonathan “Stonewall” Jackson (1824-1863) American Confederate General

Mary Anna Judkins, Wife of “Stonewall” Jackson (America)

Lord Horatio Nelson (1758-1805) British Naval Hero

Frances “Lady Nelson” Herbert, Wife of Lord Horatio Nelson (England)

It comes as no surprise that Woodruff would list one of the most capable military officers of the Confederacy, Stonewall Jackson, who was willing to see the destruction of the United States by the secession of the Confederate states and trying to destroy the Union armies. Woodruff never mentions U.S. Grant, Wm. Sherman, Phil Sheridan, and other Union military leaders who were responsible for saving the U.S.

It is no secret that the Mormon leaders hated the U.S. Government and wanted to see it destroyed in order to establish the Kingdom of God under Brigham Young. It is surprising that Woodruff claims the visit from Abraham Lincoln.


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Leonardo
Post  Post subject: Re: Delusional or Fraudulent Baptisms?  |  Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 9:38 am
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Ordinances for the dead is a false doctrine of the Church. Baptisms for the Dead was only given for our benefit, so that we can remember our own baptisms.

Endowments and sealings for the Dead are not something you should be concerned with.


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Abinadi
Post  Post subject: Re: Delusional or Fraudulent Baptisms?  |  Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2015 10:51 pm
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Leonardo wrote:
Ordinances for the dead is a false doctrine of the Church. Baptisms for the Dead was only given for our benefit, so that we can remember our own baptisms.

Endowments and sealings for the Dead are not something you should be concerned with.
Joseph Smith Junior made it perfectly clear, as did his successors, that baptism for the dead was for the benefit of the dead, who could not obtain "salvation" without being baptized either in person or by proxy. It is the Sacrament that is given that we
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may eat in remembrance of the body of thy Son, and witness unto thee, O God, the Eternal Father, that [we] are willing to take upon [us] the name of thy Son, and always remember him, and keep his commandments which he hath given [us], that [we] may always have his Spirit to be with [us].
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in remembrance of the blood of thy Son, which was shed for them; that they may witness unto thee, O God, the Eternal Father, that they do always remember him, that they may have his Spirit to be with them.
We have been taught from Primary on, that the Sacrament is taken as a remembrance and a renewal of our baptism covenants.

New prophets and patriarchs come along from time to time and "revise" the Restored Gospel, more often damaging it then improving it. In the end, however, they all seem to fall short of a genuinely Divine Standard.

Klaus1787 was not concerned with endowments and sealings for the dead. He was concerned about the pretensions and contradictions of those Mormon leaders who claimed to be doing ordinances for the signers of The Declaration of Independence, some U.S. Presidents and foreign statesmen and famous authors, scientists, etc., but apparently not the members of Congress under the Articles of Confederation, the members of the Constitutional Convention, and other statesmen and patriots.


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Tickingclocker
Post  Post subject: Re: Delusional or Fraudulent Baptisms?  |  Posted: Tue May 31, 2016 7:01 pm
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Leonardo wrote:
Ordinances for the dead is a false doctrine of the Church. Baptisms for the Dead was only given for our benefit, so that we can remember our own baptisms.

No it wasn't. It was to keep you busy and out of the leaders way when they were moving your money around.


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