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Post  Post subject: Ever get that sinking feeling???  |  Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2013 8:22 pm
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That sinking feeling: Like you were so close to obtaining vast wealth but, right before you get it, the money disappears. Imagine having this happen night after night for a few years in a row.

It could drive anyone crazy:
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After we had dug a trench about five feet in depth around the rod, the old man by signs and motions, asked leave of absence, and went to the house to inquire of
young Joseph the cause of our disappointment. He soon returned and said, that Joseph had remained all this time in the house, looking in his stone and watching the motions of the evil spirit--that he saw the spirit come up to the ring and as soon as it beheld the cone which we had formed around the rod, it caused the money to sink. We then went into the house, and the old man observed, that we had made a mistake in the commencemnt of the operation; if it had not been for that, said he, we should have got the money. (MORMONISM pp. 238 - 239)

Doesn't almost make you want to sacrifice something:
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In this emergency the fruitful mind of Smith was called on to devise a way to obtain the prize. Mr. Stowell went to his flock and selected a fine vigorous lamb, and resolved to sacrifice it to the demon spirit who guarded the coveted treasure. Shortly after the venerable Deacon might be seen on his knees at prayer near the pit, while Smith, with a lantern in one hand to dispel the midnight darkness might be seen making a circuit around the spot, sprinkling the flowing blood from the lamb upon the ground, as a propitiation to the spirit that thwarted them. They then descended the excavation, but the treasure still receded from their grasp, and it was never obtained.
What a picture for the pencil of a Hogarth! How difficult to believe it could have been enacted in the nineteenth century of the Christian era! It could have been done only by the halucination of deseased minds (Purple)

new sub-page: http://richkelsey.org/joseph_smith_mone ... ounts.html

A few thoughts: with this last very short work I think I need to say: "I've done enough writing on LDS related material."

I'm actually in the middle of another project which will take a few years; and, instead of waiting to put together something on Joseph Smith's Money Digging I wanted to get it done so I can go back to my other project.

In reality, I had already covered Smith's money digging accounts in two of my other articles and several sub-pages; this last work has links to those other works.

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Post  Post subject: Re: Ever get that sinking feeling???  |  Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 7:05 am
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It might simply mean success is imminent even though we might not yet see it on an easily appreciated timeline. Take a sabbatical leave of absence if you want, you have certainly earned it over and over. We all love you Rich!

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Post  Post subject: Re: Ever get that sinking feeling???  |  Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 8:17 am
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Hey Rich,
This info about the sacrifice and blood is truely terrible.

Thanks for all you've put on here, I didn't know much of it and I appreciate you making it accessible.

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Post  Post subject: Re: Ever get that sinking feeling???  |  Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 10:41 am
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joseph'smyth, you will always have a special place in my heart. I remember one day several years ago when I was feeling awkward about being on this board, seeing I was a never-Mo, you gave me "honorary Ex-Mormon status."

Lilly, You are most certainly welcome; thank you for taking the time to do some reading.

Again, for those interested, here is a link to the short work: http://richkelsey.org/joseph_smith_mone ... ounts.html

And, clicking on the moon at the top of that page will take you to an article which goes into more detail.

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Post  Post subject: Re: Ever get that sinking feeling???  |  Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 11:36 am
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Yes, interesting work.

One thing that struck me as odd was that people believed that American Indians would build a treasure chest and bury their treasure in this. Has a treasure chest ever been associated with American Indian WRT hiding treasure?

And the Gold and Silver bars of buried treasure ... Have these ever been associated with American Indians prior to European influence? Jewelry I get. Beads and maybe threads I get. Gilt into weapons maybe ... But bars of Gold or Silver? Really? It seems so out of character for the Native Americans.

Did Joseph ever show any skill in working this looking glass to find treasure? Oliver? I mean real treasure, not a lost pair of glasses or such that a bit of slight of hand could fabricate. Was Joseph's only skill in getting paid even though he was a failure?

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Post  Post subject: Re: Ever get that sinking feeling???  |  Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 11:26 pm
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productofchoice wrote:
Yes, interesting work.

One thing that struck me as odd was that people believed that American Indians would build a treasure chest and bury their treasure in this. Has a treasure chest ever been associated with American Indian WRT hiding treasure?

And the Gold and Silver bars of buried treasure ... Has these ever been associated with American Indians prior to European influence? Jewelry I get. Beads and maybe threads I get. Gilt into weapons maybe ... But bars or Gold or Silver? Really? It seems so out of character for the Native Americans.

Did Joseph every show any skill in working this looking glass to find treasure? Oliver? Real treasure, not a lost pair of glasses or such that a bit of slight of hand could fabricate. Was Joseph's only skill in getting paid even though he was a failure?

Peace

Hey productofchoice, I decided to add 5 more money digging accounts to that work today and one contains real treasure which Smith was to obtain with the plates. This was evidently said to help loosen up the pocketbooks of those hearing:

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Three interesting things about this next account are its early date, how the story of discovering the gold plates still contains the idea that the right person needs to be present to obtain them: and, also how the account blends buried treasure into the narrative:
 
Testimony of Abigail Harris: (a sister in law of Martin Harris)
 
Palmyra, Wayne Co. N. Y. 11th mo. 28th, 1833.
In the early part of the winter in 1828, I made a visit to Martin Harris and was joined in company by Jos. Smith, sen. and his wife. The Gold Bible business, so called, was the topic of conversation, to which I paid particular attention that I might learn the truth of the whole matter.--They told me that the report that Joseph, jun. had found golden plates, was true, and that he was in Harmony, Pa. translating them--that such plates were in existence, and that Joseph, jun. was to obtain them, was revealed to him by the spirit of one or the Saints that was on this continent, previous to its being discovered by Columbus. Old Mrs. Smith observed that she thought he must be a Quaker, as he was dressed very plain.

They said that the plates he then had in possession were but an introduction to the Gold Bible--that all of them upon which the bible was written, were so heavy that it would take four stout men to load them into a cart--that Joseph had also discovered by looking through his stone, the vessel in which the gold was melted from which the plates were made, and also the machine with which they were rolled; he also discovered in the bottom of the vessel three balls of gold, each as large as his fist.  (Mormonism Unvailed — Eber Howe's 1834 book)

Now I think I'm done with the work: http://richkelsey.org/joseph_smith_mone ... ounts.html

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