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jsamueledwards
  Post  Post subject: Registration Letter Submitted: Email to BP & Member Records  |  Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2016 4:38 pm
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YAY! My letter is signed and submitted. I decided to send my letter to both my Branch President and to the Membership Records Department, since I've heard mixed information on what actually works I figured I'd play it safe. Well, as safe as you can be using email...

This is a copy of my letter (minus my birth date and record number). I decided to publish my letter on my blog: http://jsamueledwards.blogspot.com/2016/10/resigning-mormonism.html


Membership Records Division
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints
50 E North Temple Rm 1372
SLC UT 84150-5310

Dear Membership Records Division:

My name is Joseph Samuel Edwards, I am writing to resign my name and records from the membership of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

There have been a number of stumbling blocks placed by the wickedness and corruption of the Prophet, Apostles and Seventy. These stumbling blocks include the incredible hostility and insults towards LGBT people by President Monson, President Packer, President Nelson, Elder Oaks and at times even Elder Holland. These stumbling blocks do not come from outside the Church or individuals who are angry at the Church in order to justify their own sins, instead these stumbling blocks are the fault of a Church that has become far more enthusiastic with its own prestige than it has addressing the wounds of the people it has hurt over the years.

1. Elder Oaks recently referred to Transgender people as being Mentally Ill at a Stake Conference and he has repeatedly been highly insulting to all LGBT people worldwide. His remarks have also included an approval (in 2007) for parents to disown their LGBT children under various conditions, an attitude that has been attributed to the expulsion of a number of teenagers from their homes for coming out of the closet as Gay or other Sexual Identity. The hostility from this and other similar remarks by Elder Oaks has also been attributed to the ever increasing rate of LGBT Youth Suicide in Utah. Attempts to bring these points to his attention, or the attention to any Church official or member have been met with derision and hostility and rebuffed by Elder Oaks’ remarks stating that the Church and its leaders will apologize for nothing. Only a person or organization that believes it is perfect, beyond reproach or beyond need for repentance would deny the possibility of apologizing.

2. President Nelson and the entire November 2015 Policy is also a dramatic insult that convinces me that God is not in this Church. The grip of Satan on the culture of a populous is and always has been the reason for dramatic exclusions of entire groups of people. Need I remind of the horror that was the Priesthood and Temple Bans against people of African descent? That Ban has since been acknowledged to have never been an actual doctrine of Christ’s gospel. If the Church is so willing to promote false-doctrine as doctrines for decades and then repeat the same error under a new topic, then the doctrines of the Church are more closely related to the Philosophies of Men than the Gospel of God.

3. The political corruption that was well articulated in then Senator Gordon Smith’s remarks, as shown by Mormon Leaks, is also a clear indication that the LDS Church is not the pure and incorruptible presence I was taught it was as a child. The fact that the LDS Church is willing to use its formidable religious power to control the efforts of politicians is a dangerous sign to anyone but the morally corrupt. The then Senator Smith used his position as Senator to coerce the Ambassador from India to allow LDS Missionaries in India by suggesting that Indian and American relations would be negatively impacted if India did not support Mormon proselyting. The idea that Mormons holding positions of political power should use their positions to grant the Church advantages over other groups and religions is entirely wrong and immoral. This idea has been demonstrated in excess in the State of Utah where the LDS Church has nearly unlimited control over the Utah State Legislature. The Church’s ability to control legislation by suggesting that any Lawmaker (that is a member of the Church) who disregards the Church’s perspective on a proposed bill is potentially unworthy or is defying the Prophet is a gross misuse of power. In fact, it would be described as an “Unrighteous dominion”.

4. The LDS Church’s involvement with the World Congress of Families is another stumbling block provided by the Church itself. The World Congress of Families has boldly and blatantly declared its intentions to promote the criminalization of homosexuality and other sexual variances. Yet the LDS Church maintains a clear friendship with the organization as demonstrated by the inclusion of multiple LDS members and officials having held positions of authority in the WCF over the years and by the exceptionally warm official welcome the Church gave that organization in its Salt Lake City Conference in 2015. Furthermore, the organization actively praises Russia for its persecution of Gays and other LGBT people while actively condemning any and every law to protect them, including Hate Crime protections, Housing and Employment protections and the like, the WCF claims that these protections are among the worst developments in human history. Even if the LDS Church does not 100% support the efforts (primary or minor) of this or any other organization it should be noted that the lack of 100% agreement has been cited by LDS officials (even up to the level of General Authority) as cause enough to reject any and all interactions with LGBT centered organizations such as Mormons Building Bridges and Affirmation. That imbalance alone implies that any “disagreements” with certain positions held by the World Congress of Families are far less important than “disagreements” with any position held by an LGBT organization.

5. Last, but not least, is the recent tendency of the Church to protect child molesters. I know of a specific situation where a family accused a man, who had served as Bishop multiple times, of repeated sexual molestation and other crimes. Their report was rebuffed by the Office of the First Presidency who essentially ignored it and ignored the complaints against the inappropriate behavior of the Stake President involved in the situation. The Office of the First Presidency claimed it wasn’t their concern and that the man would continue with his membership completely unaffected. The man is most certainly guilty with multiple testimonies of his crimes, yet the Church protected him willfully. The Church's only concern was that the family might sue the Church over the situation. The Church has also been recognized and accused of protecting other child molesters from Church Discipline in the recent Navajo Tribe lawsuit currently developing. The fact that the LDS Church has filed restraining orders against the Navajo victims is testament to the sickening lack of charity and heart in what is supposed to be God’s Church, led by Jesus Himself.

There are many more crimes, sins and offenses that the LDS Church itself is a willing participant in. I have said nothing that suggests a minor disagreement with another member; I have said nothing of any perceived spats between myself and other members; instead I have spoken only about the specific and tragic examples of the Apostles and Prophets themselves. These men claim to work under the constant direction of Jesus Christ yet their fruits suggest otherwise. Their fruits suggest Corruption, Abuse of Power, Hostility towards Victims, Lack of Sorrow over Death and Suffering, Willingly Demeaning or Belittling the Children of God and many more wrongful behaviors that do not belong in the Church I was raised to believe in. If the Church ever was True it has since fallen into Apostasy and I would rather stand alone fighting for the principles of Jesus Christ than defend Pharisees, Zoramites or King Noah and his Priests in their hypocrisy.

Sincerely,

Joseph Samuel Edwards
A Now Former Member of the Church

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Melanie
Post  Post subject: Re: Registration Letter Submitted: Email to BP & Member Reco  |  Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2016 5:03 am
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Congrats and Welcome!

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jsamueledwards
Post  Post subject: Re: Registration Letter Submitted: Email to BP & Member Reco  |  Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2016 1:40 pm
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Well I just got a reply from Headquarters... They're definitely giving me the runaround. They sent me a letter stating the following:

Quote:
Dear Brother Edwards,

Our office has been asked to acknowledge your recent letter in which you request that your name be removed from the membership records of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

We have also been asked to inform you that the Church considers such a request to be an ecclesiastical matter that must be handled by local priesthood leaders before being processed by Church employees. Therefore, your letter and a copy of this reply are being sent to President ********** of the ************** Stake. He will have President *********** of the ******** Branch contact you concerning the fulfillment of your request.

Sincerely,
Confidential Records



I am working on my reply and will post it when ready.
Geez, talk about bureaucracy killing society.

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Melanie
Post  Post subject: Re: Registration Letter Submitted: Email to BP & Member Reco  |  Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2016 2:16 pm
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That's a normal reply, it is not personal and I wouldn't make it so nor continue to dance to that tune. There is no need for any reply to that letter. But a kind of generalised Thank you put out into the ether is nice. They've acknowledged your request and have it in hand. Peace.

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jsamueledwards
Post  Post subject: Re: Registration Letter Submitted: Email to BP & Member Reco  |  Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2016 5:41 pm
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It may be a normal reply but I'm not happy that they are remanding my resignation and not processing it. In Guinn v. Church of Christ (I did read the original court documents) the courts make it clear that a resignation is complete with the submission of a resignation letter. I'm not required to sign anything or communicate with anyone in the Church about my resignation once the letter has been acknowledged as received.

Essentially my resignation has been put on hold until the Bishop and/or Stake President communicate with me, that is an illegal policy. That's why I'm upset with the wording of their response.

EDIT* In rereading the text of Guinn v Church of Christ I found that the court had concluded that resignation from a Church is in fact a civil matter and not an ecclesiastical one (Section IV).

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Amunet
Post  Post subject: Re: Registration Letter Submitted: Email to BP & Member Reco  |  Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2016 5:47 pm
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I just received my "ecclesiastical matter" letter as well. I feel the same as you, I truly do not enjoy that they ignored my letter (exact wording). In fact, my letter included multiple references that I would obtain legal council if they contacted me with anything other than a confirmed resignation letter.

What particularly grates me is that they refer to me as my husband's last name, even when I never changed my name (legally or otherwise). It just reinforces the fact that the church doesn't deem women as important as men (which is a shame).


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Melanie
Post  Post subject: Re: Registration Letter Submitted: Email to BP & Member Reco  |  Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 12:42 pm
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This morning I received a letter from the insurance company that I have insured my house with for decades. It informed me that I owed them money and that if I did not pay them within 7 days, my house would not be covered, this despite the fact I have paid the fee in full and received confirmation from them to that fact. It is not nice to receive such a letter and it is a concern as it is a house insurance afterall. When I contacted the company, they told me it was an administration error and that all is well. I asked for confirmation of this as it is so important. The lady said it had to go to a supervisor for something, it was going to take time to sort the screen error, and, I will not get any confirmation the error had been removed, but I could know that all was fine and that my house was insured.

This reminded me of something very important. To the staff at that company, I could relax. To me I was not at that place then.

And so it is with resignation from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. And so it is with the Board.

I liked that people who are ahead of me on the journey helped me to see the bigger picture whilst I was still getting out of what seemed to me like quicksand. And they were right and there was no need for any stress. And I do not walk with those men if I do not encourage you in this truth too. And, actually, if I do not encourage any of our readers to know that too.

Our newer readers may be interested to know that when someone was a bit stuck in their resignation process a while ago, he/she contacted a SP who was so helpful and gave the Board his personal email for anyone else to contact him if they needed a hand. This contact was used by at least one other person who had a tricky situation to manage and it, that gentleman, helped them so much.

Of course individuals are different in how they handle matters, but I assure you, no policies are trying to make resignation difficult these days. This is 2016 now. It gets easier every year. And there are many people who will tell you that the Church does not want to make things difficult as that straight away enforces the idea that they are indeed a cult and that is a major thing the organisation does not wish to appear.

As individuals we do all strike our courses differently and I wish you every success for your journey and for your resignation. It is certain you will get there and I hope it will be in as painfree a way as possible.

All power to your elbow.

jsamueledwards: I am not familiar with that case but it is a different church and 1984 is a long time ago. Rich would probably be your guy on that count.
amunet: the letters are standards, just think how long it would take for them to write to everyone personally,lol and here's a head up, they don't care for individuals or for individual's reasons. I agree that using a wrong name is grating. Go the sisterhood :)

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jsamueledwards
Post  Post subject: Re: Registration Letter Submitted: Email to BP & Member Reco  |  Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 1:42 pm
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Melanie, while I appreciate your sense of optimism and while I recognize that the current resignation proceedings are far easier than they were in the past, I still have to point out that they do not conform to the Church's legal obligations as held up by multiple cases decided by the American Courts of Law.

Just because it's better than what it was doesn't mean it's quite right.

I took a lot of time recently to read through the published decision of the Federal Court in Guinn v. Church of Christ and the legal requirements are very clearly expressed and have been upheld by more recent courts as the standing law in America that Churches are expected to adhere to.

I did send my response to the Church about an hour ago and have also published it to my blog. If anyone wants to read it they can go to:
http://jsamueledwards.blogspot.com/2016/11/lds-resignation-update.html

If anyone wants me to just post the content of my response as a comment here just let me know, I have everything saved so I can just copy and paste.

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jsamueledwards
Post  Post subject: Re: Registration Letter Submitted: Email to BP & Member Reco  |  Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2016 3:43 pm
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It has been almost 30 days since I received my "ecclesiastical matter" letter from Salt Lake and my response (which I shared above). I contacted my Branch President and my Stake President as well and have not heard back from anyone regarding my resignation. My LDS.org account is still operational and my records are still in the Branch and Stake Directories (ergo, my records are still not removed).

I have also contacted the Branch Clerk asking him to remind the Branch President to check his email for my letter. The Branch Clerk acknowledged my request and said he passed it on. I have also contacted the Branch President via Facebook, but it's Facebook so who knows if he'll even know that I contacted him.

So, I just wrote another letter today to my Branch President reminding him of the situation (that the records are still there) and explaining that I have not heard back from him in any way. I also informed him of the date marked on my official acknowledgement letter and that I expected my records to be removed no later than by November 25, 2016. That gives him a full month from initial proof of contact to have completed the resignation process.

We'll see what happens.

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productofchoice
Post  Post subject: Re: Registration Letter Submitted: Email to BP & Member Reco  |  Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2016 10:14 am
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J,

You can email headquarters and tell them about your difficulty. They might push it forward esp if you threaten to contact the local news paper/tv with your experiences.

HQ wants you to silently fade away. The more people the members see abandoning ship, the more people start wondering why? HQ doesn't want that.

Peace

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jsamueledwards
Post  Post subject: Re: Registration Letter Submitted: Email to BP & Member Reco  |  Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2016 11:59 pm
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Hey Product,

I just got a short (curt) e-mail back from the Branch President. Literally his entire message said: "Please call for an update - phone number -. Thank you.

Note that this after multiple of attempts to get in touch with this man. And he never responded to my original resignation letter itself either. I sent it to him at the same time that I sent it to headquarters tbh.

I have every intention of being a thorn in their side to make sure that they get their job done and if not I will be a nightmare in their side.

Thanks Product :)

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productofchoice
Post  Post subject: Re: Registration Letter Submitted: Email to BP & Member Reco  |  Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2016 1:18 pm
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Well that's something my friend. Keep the pressure on, be bold and remember that they believe that you can worship any way you choose to that they claim that right too. You're just exercising it in a new way.

Peace

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jsamueledwards
  Post  Post subject: Re: Registration Letter Submitted: Email to BP & Member Reco  |  Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2016 9:57 pm
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Alright guys! Exciting news! My membership is finally completely resigned! This actually happened about a week ago but it took me a bit to figure out what and how to talk about it. If y'all care enough to read the story and my thoughts on it just click my blog link :)
Love y'all! Keep it up guys, it really does work!
http://jsamueledwards.blogspot.com/2016/12/lds-resignation-update-its-done.html

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Melanie
Post  Post subject: Re: Registration Letter Submitted: Email to BP & Member Reco  |  Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2016 2:40 pm
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That's great, Congrats!

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Post  Post subject: Re: Registration Letter Submitted: Email to BP & Member Reco  |  Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2016 11:09 am
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Good for you!! I liked how you handled your correction with the appropriate leadership involved. Way to go..

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jsamueledwards
Post  Post subject: Re: Registration Letter Submitted: Email to BP & Member Reco  |  Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2016 3:17 pm
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Thanks guys!

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