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Post  Post subject: Re: Currently being recruited by missionaries  |  Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 3:33 pm
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Melanie wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VKT4hrBTuk

This is very good I think.



It is very funny. The comments section is also very interesting.


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Post  Post subject: Re: Currently being recruited by missionaries  |  Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 3:35 pm
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Neither did your parents when they engaged in sex and created you in the process.



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Post  Post subject: Re: Currently being recruited by missionaries  |  Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 3:40 pm
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Melanie wrote:
Hello, It's probably best not to join. You are not seeing baptism in your future anyhow so seems like you already know that. Did you enjoy conference? You can take the good without any commitment and when the Elders know that you don't want to be baptised they will stop calling anyhow. They are nice kids. Glad you dropped by, welcome :)



Yes, I enjoyed the conference. The singing was nice and the speakers included some humor. When they announced the creation of two new temples in Pocatello and Utah, I heard "yips" from the congregation inside the temple at Salt Lake City.

I can't wait for the three hour regular service this Sunday (1-4 PM CST).


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Post  Post subject: Re: Currently being recruited by missionaries  |  Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 6:48 pm
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I can't listen to Conference. That conference drone voice creeps me out too much.

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Post  Post subject: Currently being recruited by missionaries  |  Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2017 9:04 am
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Rainfeather wrote:
I can't listen to Conference. That conference drone voice creeps me out too much.


I'm wondering if we got a little troll action moving in on us, the second strike comes on the heels of no followup what-so-ever to the query this mentally ill Smith securely proves himself to be over and over again.

[[ A bum leg from almost having it amputated due to an infection gave a lot of incentives for Joseph Smith to create ways to try and make some income without relying on physical strength or endurance. The authorship study done by Craig Criddle says he plagiarized nearly all of everything he produced.

The unexpected death of his older brother seems to have set a lot of things into motion. Most likely Joseph places the vision he had at a date before his brother dies, for reasons we can only speculate to try and understand. We do know it was a life changing event for the Smith family. The brother was accidentally poisoned by doctors.

Joseph Smith "dissociation disorder" may be found on YouTube through Heart Of The Matter, and Shawn McCraney if you care to look.

https://youtu.be/Zm2m5D9MkpY ]]


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Post  Post subject: Re: Currently being recruited by missionaries  |  Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2017 12:03 pm
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My honest assessment is that even if the Book of Mormon was divinely inspired, Joseph Smith was an erratic individual.

How that translates to defining a specific mental disorder is something for experts to discuss not me.

Perhaps at some juncture he believed he was the reincarnation of Solomon. It would explain a lot of his behavior(s).

This whole thing revolves around who and what Joseph Smith was as a person NOT a prophet.


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Post  Post subject: Re: Currently being recruited by missionaries  |  Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2017 12:12 pm
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productofchoice wrote:


My opinion is that he was actually very intelligent. That he had help from some trusted friends who were in on the scam, to make some money. The timeframe that is presented for the translation of the BoM ignores the time between when the manuscript was supposedly finished and when the first edition was printed. There is time in between for refinement of the text.

The book, "View of the Hebrews" fits the plot of the Book of Mormon quite well and would likely have been available to Joseph. There are a couple of other books written in much the same style. These can be analyzed by programs that look for plagiarism in student's essays/papers for example and help identify if it's likely that the writing style matches the writing style of another source. More on this can be read on MormonThink here.

There are also sections that seem like they were local sermons or political talks and then added to the BoM because of the subjects that are discussed. He answered some of the key questions of the day WRT political systems, the presence of life in the Americas vs Noah's global flood and what happened to the lost tribes.

So he was smart; He gathered material, produced a story and sold it ... and he knew how to play the con.

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I prefer the assessment that Joseph Smith concocted all of this as a joke and couldn't believe anyone took it seriously. The question becomes who was in on the joke from the onset?

Has anyone ever seen the movie Zardoz with Sean Connery? :icon-rolleyes:


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Melanie
Post  Post subject: Re: Currently being recruited by missionaries  |  Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2017 12:43 pm
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It wasn't a joke, not then and not now. I wonder what your motivation is for your wanting to learn everything about the Mormon faith, when you are sure you will not be baptised, and where the Forums fits into that. All the information is online and it is very easy to talk to missionaries online too.

I agree with you that it does depend upon who Smith was as a man. He wanted money and he was very versed in telling narrative stories. You could read about the money digging trials. http://richkelsey.org/joseph_smith_mone ... ounts.html

People are greatly hurt from involvement with this organisation and greatly strengthened by their recovery from it. It is not a game to be played.

I hope you will have a good experience on Sunday.

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Post  Post subject: Re: Currently being recruited by missionaries  |  Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2017 2:27 pm
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pettifogger wrote:
I prefer the assessment that Joseph Smith concocted all of this as a joke and couldn't believe anyone took it seriously. The question becomes who was in on the joke from the onset?


I don't know that I'd call it a joke but he and his friends were in some money digging clubs and they were supposed to split any profits. If Joseph told a lie, like he found some golden book, then dollar signs go off in their eyes and they want a cut. He then has to build up a way to pay them off and so the con begins.

I don't think he started out wanting to build a church, he started out wanting to make a buck.

Who? That core that was with him from the beginning. Maybe not Emma. Do a better job documenting them than I so if the details matter, go look around. A starting point might be here: http://www.mormonthink.com/josephweb.htm#whywould

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Post  Post subject: Re: Currently being recruited by missionaries  |  Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2017 3:49 pm
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Melanie wrote:
It wasn't a joke, not then and not now. I wonder what your motivation is for your wanting to learn everything about the Mormon faith, when you are sure you will not be baptised, and where the Forums fits into that.

People are greatly hurt from involvement with this organisation and greatly strengthened by their recovery from it. It is not a game to be played.




First and foremost, I didn't go looking for Mormonism. Mormonism found me.

You can claim it all started as a con but you don't really know what the genesis was for the origin. The saddest reality my be that it started as a joke and turned into a full blown con game.

I chose your board because it seemed to be the most realistic of the ex-Mormon and anti-Mormon websites out there.

I reiterate again that Joseph Smith exhibited erratic behavior that characterized some type(s) of mental instability. Clearly this is most evident in the last ten years of his life.


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Post  Post subject: Currently being recruited by missionaries  |  Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2017 5:06 am
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pettifogger wrote:
First and foremost, I didn't go looking for Mormonism. Mormonism found me.

You can claim it all started as a con but you don't really know what the genesis was for the origin.
The saddest reality my be that it started as a joke and turned into a full blown con game.

I chose your board because it seemed to be the most realistic of the ex-Mormon and anti-Mormon websites out there. I reiterate again that Joseph Smith exhibited erratic behavior that characterized some type(s) of mental instability. Clearly this is most evident in the last ten years of his life.


Hey hey newbe, try and calm down a little bit more. Remember, you're only a guest here, maybe we're all only just guests here.

When you suggested it's all only a con game or a big joke, you're trolling or acting a lot like a troll.
It is not quite acceptable so please discontinue behavior like this. How many warnings do you want?

I would recommend trying to be a lot less disrespectful if you have it somewhere inside of your makeup.

Is your aim of a primary interest to continue attempting to be disruptive without being easily discovered? That's not a good idea, this is not a safe place for behavior like that.

Somebody got inside of the recently collapsed postmormon website and it is gone, maybe gone for the longer term than expected. It was most likely caused by Mormons doing what they do best, they deceive and are very very good at it.

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Post  Post subject: Re: Currently being recruited by missionaries  |  Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2017 6:56 am
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There is a board on this forum called Debate and Politics in Mormonism. That's really the place for those who wish to debate the merits of the organization. The members of this forum can choose to go there to debate, or those who are in a more tender stage of recovery can avoid that board if they wish.

As long as people don't start calling each other names, debate is allowed there.

The thing is that we are a group of Ex-Mormons, so it would stand to reason that we are not exactly favourable to the Church. Many of us have been through some very painful experiences, some of which have been outlined throughout this forum.

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