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mufasapenny
Post  Post subject: i hate joseph smith  |  Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2016 5:49 pm
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last night after all the stuff i seen about joseph smith and how much of a con man he was i wish he was here so i could kick his butt.i thought about how much i hated him.if it werent for him I wouldnt be in this situation.i believe he was a satanic worshipping perverted con man and loser!!!I hope I can get out quickly but i just sent in my e-mail resignation on saturday. probably take them a month to read their e-mails.


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Melanie
Post  Post subject: Re: i hate joseph smith  |  Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 7:50 am
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You are not demeaned in having been tricked. You are clean and you are already free.

No power of hell, no scheme of man

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnWw24s5gG8

Nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 8:39 NKJV

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Post  Post subject: Re: i hate joseph smith  |  Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 1:02 pm
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Melanie wrote:
You are not demeaned in having been tricked. You are clean and you are already free.

No power of hell, no scheme of man

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnWw24s5gG8

Nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 8:39 NKJV

Melanie!

Thanks for the link to the song: "In Christ Alone."

Its message carries a strong edifying gospel proclamation.

That song was covered many times by the music team I was on; it brought back fond memories.

mufasapenny.

As far as hating Joseph Smith: I can understand you feeling this way.

Yet, I believe the "hate" will dissipate over time.

My advice: How about educating those still caught up in Joseph Smith's fabrications with the truth.

Obviously, you have studied some actual LDS history; as opposed to faithful history. Pass along some of those links on social media; fight back!

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Melanie
Post  Post subject: Re: i hate joseph smith  |  Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 3:35 pm
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Rich!
Hey, how are you. And how is Yukon. Give him my love, I hope he is OK in the weather, if it is anything like it is here, it is quite flattenning.


''Its message carries a strong edifying gospel proclamation.''
I have been thinking about this. Also as a Christian, things can get complicated and I have been unravelling so much of what things can become. Sometimes things can become something that is almost unrecognisable from the simplicity of a Gospel proclamation and then that can lead to difficulties and Jesus can be lost in the whole complexity of trying to follow Him.

So I love this song. I listened to it so much when I was transitioning. I used it in a talk I then gave as an exmo. Its power is the power of the Gospel.

A making beautiful of that which has been marred, a never letting go and always acceptance, love and hope for a bright, clear day.

So you know any older hippies who can explain why do people make it so complex Rich?

''Place yourself in the way of beauty'', This is my strap line( which I took from the film Wild), and there is nothing more beautiful than the transforming power of the Gospel.

It is beautiful Rich, very beautiful.

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mufasapenny
Post  Post subject: Re: i hate joseph smith  |  Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 4:22 pm
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i posted before but cant remember what i posted under.the bishop contacted me earlier to ask me about leaving the church.he was very good about it and said it was my decision.i was so nervous and i couldnt talk.i was shaking inside but i told him i wanted it to be done as soon as possible.i felt such a big weight off my shoulders and feel at peace inside.i also met with a priest earlier and he was so nice and gave me advice and didnt pressure into coming back to the catholic church.thats what i raised in.i just sent the e-mail saturday and cant believe it went so fast.i believe GOD is definately involved.im so happy im elated.


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mufasapenny
Post  Post subject: Re: i hate joseph smith  |  Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 4:24 pm
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i cant remember who founded this forum but thank you thank you from the bottom of my heart.i dont know what i would have done without it.


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Melanie
Post  Post subject: Re: i hate joseph smith  |  Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:03 pm
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Congratulations , It is brilliant news.

Infymus started this Forum.

Rainfeather can you post Mufasapenny's words on the moderator section so Infymus definitely gets to read them.

I will copy onto your other thread so folk can easily see your news.

Well Done.

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Post  Post subject: Re: i hate joseph smith  |  Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 6:36 pm
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Melanie.

Yukon & I are doing just fine.

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I wish you the best.

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mufasapenny
Post  Post subject: Re: i hate joseph smith  |  Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 6:05 pm
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so my bishop called me because i had a question about something.he still is cool about all of this but told me to check out fair mormon forums.lol.i looked at it for 2 min and nothing convinced me of anything.what a crock.has anyone else looked this up??


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Melanie
Post  Post subject: Re: i hate joseph smith  |  Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2016 10:02 am
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Hello!
In my opinion the bishop is not the person to be expressing any questions to. I say that not because I am afraid he might have some major insight that will cause us all to want to rejoin the organisation, no, rather that emotionally leaving can be tricky for some people and I believe you will play into a situation that is going to make leaving harder for you.
wrt fairmormon, this is their stand;
"We’re not affiliated with The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. However, the members of FairMormon are all committed to defending the Church and helping people to maintain their testimonies."

So it is impossible to find answers there where the end result is already a given as far as they are concerned.

It is unlikely you will find anyone who is prepared to really look at your concerns with you, as they simply have to protect their testimonies and will not engage, in my experience. That will be why the bishop put his hopes in fairmormon.

In my opinion, you are dragging out the pain, but I guess we have all been there, it is horrid to watch a process repeat though.

It can be of value to ask individuals what they think, but rememebr that those individuals have already committed to a pathway, a certain way of looking at things. Whether you ask a bishop, a priest, a peer, at the end of the day you have to decide a course for yourself.

A true advisor will never be above you, never be below you and always be by your side. And you won't be ready to hear the truth until you recognise no one is above you and no one is below you.

As LDS folk have been conditioned to give away control of their thoughts. In my opinion, don't run from person to person, let alone males to males.

You will find folk to be by your side who really do care. You could play Kate Perry again, I would do so.

And last point, the bishop will never be cool about you resigning, so wake up to that. As far as he believes, he will be assigning you to outer darkness and forsaken apostasy when he sends the email.

I know it can be tricky all I say is please don't make this harder on yourself than it need be.

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mufasapenny
Post  Post subject: Re: i hate joseph smith  |  Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 1:33 pm
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it was so nice to not have to go to church today or have someone asking me if i was going.i have a feeling though the missionaries dont know yet and they will stop over.ugghhh


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mufasapenny
Post  Post subject: Re: i hate joseph smith  |  Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 7:44 pm
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omg the bishop stopped over and talked to me for 10 min.he is gonna send the e-mail as soon as possible but wanted to know some of the stuff i found that changed my mind.he also asked me how i knew where to send the e-mail.lol.i told him google.first he wanted to do a letter and then 30 days and i said no i wanted it done quick so he said he would said the e-mail back.im hoping this is the last contact.he stopped over but i didnt know he was coming over.i finally feel free


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Melanie
Post  Post subject: Re: i hate joseph smith  |  Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2016 9:16 am
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good-oh

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Post  Post subject: Re: i hate joseph smith  |  Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 8:26 am
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Congrats Penny!

Did you share some things "that changed your mind?" Did he reply?

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mufasapenny
Post  Post subject: Re: i hate joseph smith  |  Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2016 10:23 am
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im doing my happy dance today.i got my letter stating that my name was removed from the records.this all happened this month!!thats what i call divine intervention!!what a relief!!


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Melanie
Post  Post subject: Re: i hate joseph smith  |  Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2016 11:31 am
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Way to go! Well Done you! Lots of Love x x

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mufasapenny
Post  Post subject: Re: i hate joseph smith  |  Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 6:37 pm
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so i need some advice on how to work through the anger and depression.some days im happy and good.some days i cry and have so much anger that i was manipulated and lied to.im doing ok now but sometimes i feel sad that i let this happen to me.im angry at the church and also myself.i should have researched more before i got baptised.but im thankful for all of you guys because i wouldnt have been able to do it myself.


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Post  Post subject: Re: i hate joseph smith  |  Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 7:55 pm
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It helps me to think that most Mormons were fooled in the same way.

And it's the enemy who is there to lie, steel and destroy.
As far as your regrets, That's really the meaning of Repent ... to change your mind. You've done that.

You're on the right path even though it took some strange turns.

Peace

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Melanie
Post  Post subject: Re: i hate joseph smith  |  Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2016 3:14 am
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Any life transition will bring its swings and roundabouts. I have found it helpful to not attribute the blame for feelings like that all onto the LDS organisation, daft as that might sound. It helps to keep it all in perspective. Don't allow the organisation to continue to have a hold on you in this way.

Did you get to listen to the podcast in my signature...how to heal. That has fantastic and well tried out advise and I thoroughly recommend it.

What you are feeling is very natural and it will pass. You are brand new and you are doing so well. This is a link from RfM that has great insight.http://exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,1 ... sg-1856081

Allow yourself time.

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